Scandinavian experience after 3 years

[Alexop]

Here's some insights based on empirical input and personal study.  Here’s two points:

Immigration.

 I start to notice how these people, especially the leftists here, say one thing but do another or are not able to actualize their wishes. On the one hand they want to compete in the empathy contest and help as many refugees as possible but on the other, they don’t actually want to have them in their lives. They just want the feeling of being the morally superior ones. There is a neighborhood called Angered on the outskirts of Gothenburg. When it was first built, it was mostly Swedes living there, after some immigrants moved in the country to do the work they did not want to do anymore, they started moving out from the neighborhood, because it started to be painted as “problematic”. Now these kinds of neighborhoods are 95% immigrant background even if the flats are still nice, some are well renovated and the areas are full of beautiful nature and good public transport connections. 

So dudes, do you want these people in your lives or not? It is more like: I take a refugee into my house but I keep him in the basement. They want multiculturalism, but as soon as they meet someone who is slightly different from them, they run away as if they saw a ghost. Anything that is too ambitious, masculine or has too much personality is ghosted out. With this soyboy, anti-personality, anti-masculine culture you cannot have a proper blend of cultures. Virtually no Swede hangs out with immigrants who did not perfectly absorb their pussy culture, not even living in the same neighborhood with such “animals”. They want them to somehow raise to their SD Green level at a flip of a switch otherwise it is goodbye. These double standards brought rise to the far right who is now fucking up the country with neo-liberal, anti-immigration shit. Thanks for that! They want immigrants but not too close to them, they want diversity but not in the way that “does not vibe”. 

 

Relationships are disasters.

People are so individualistic and have so low social skills, especially men, that they just suffer from loneliness in silence. It takes ages for them to make friends, they basically make 2-3 friends in teenage years and keep them for life, because they have to stay years in a classroom together in order to open up. Masculinity and femininity talk is a NO NO. God forbid we talk about this kind of heresy. We only talk about it if we shit on the patriarchy and toxic masculinity. Women pair with men mostly because they want kids and need sperm and help to raise them. After a few years they separate and ping-pong the child from one parent to the other every week. I never in my life saw so many underdeveloped and boring men, I feel like talking to children all the time. Even fucking Romania delivers better men. "But Alex, at least they are not violent as your romanian machos" I thought the same thing until I had some talks with policemen and people here. Domestic violence is shit high. Those cute puppy guys become violent after years of frustration coming from not understanding the feminine perspective.

If you don’t expect standards of quality from men, they simply don’t evolve. Call me right wing but just handing welfare to people without a strong culture based on dignity, healthy masculinity talk, and discipline paired with video games and all this bullshit escapism we invented makes people weak and lazy. If this nonsense continues, I predict women taking over most leadership positions, because somebody has to fucking do it, but most of them won’t do it because they want it. They do it because men are worthless and someone has to steer the country. As Leo said, women go for feelings, but feelings don’t always lead to truth, so expect some feelingcracy.

 

These are just 2 points, there are more. This leads to the paradox of having the most socialist states in the world with the most pilled people in the world. Yes, some people can live well alone, but even those people still need at least a good romantic relationship or some sex from time to time. If you live in the US, I talk to you from the future, be careful with these excess of Green traps. I did not want to believe Leo until I moved here and experienced it myself. Let diversity come into your life, not only to your basement, socialize, make new friends, be open to divergent opinions, crack jokes, let men be men, teach people about Yin and Yang. Don’t identify with your feelings, don’t get offended by opinions, see the double standards in your social circle. Good luck!

Edited Monday at 11:36 AM by Alexop

[PurpleTree]

12 minutes ago, Alexop said:

Here's some insights based on empirical input and personal study.  Here’s two points:

Immigration.

 I start to notice how these people, especially the leftists here, say one thing but do another or are not able to actualize their wishes. On the one hand they want to compete in the empathy contest and help as many refugees as possible but on the other, they don’t actually want to have them in their lives.

That can be similar in my country. (which isn’t Scandinavian)

Also the leftists aren’t willing to see the problems that immigrants from certain countries bring. Like more violence, less womens rights and so on.

But i think you’re generalising a bit. I met Norwegians with very much lets say Muslim country background who felt very integrated into the society i think.

Because you said when they see someone different they walk away.

Edited Monday at 11:37 AM by PurpleTree

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

That can be similar in my country. (which isn’t Scandinavian).

Because recently i met two leftists who lived in ultra left communities. (Basically like autonomous zones type) And left them because they said most there preach leftism but are kind of fake.

Edited Monday at 11:43 AM by PurpleTree

[Alexop]

of course we generalize, but it only needs a majority in order to create the country's cultural values.

[Alexop]

17 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Because recently i met two leftists who lived in ultra left communities. And left them because they said most there preach leftism but are kind of fake.

many lefties are ok, it is the small "woke" minority that fucks up our image. The problem in Scandinavia is not neccesarly only about lefties, it is a individualitic, conformist, conflict avoidant culture that rose way before we coined "wokeism".

Wokeism that came after 2010s just supercharged this culture, it was like putting salt on a wound.

Edited Monday at 11:59 AM by Alexop

[PurpleTree]

7 minutes ago, Alexop said:

many lefties are ok, it is the small "woke" minority that fucks up our image. The problem in Scandinavia is not neccesarly only about lefties, it is a individualitic, conformist, conflict avoidant culture that rose way before we coined "wokism".

Wokism that came after 2010s just supercharged this culture, it was like putting salt on a wound.

Gosh. Wokeism is queefy.

[Alexop]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

Gosh. Wokeism is queefy.

are you ironic?

[PurpleTree]

Just now, Alexop said:

are you ironic?

No i dislike wokeism. I dislike most or all ideologies basically. When people become like drones or lemmings you know and all read the same book and use the same slogans. And you can’t go or argue against the ideology or you get cast out. It’s kind of cringey queefy you know what i mean.

[Alexop]

1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

No i dislike wokeism. I dislike most or all ideologies basically. When people become like drones or lemmings you know and all read the same book and use the same slogans. And you can’t go or argue against the ideology or you get cast out. It’s kind of cringey queefy you know what i mean.

Agree. We had The Bible in the past, now we have Gender Trouble.

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Alexop said:

Agree. We had The Bible in the past, now we have Gender Trouble.

Or the thing with immigration. There almost can’t be a nuanced discussion. Because right wing hates immigrants let’s say (unless asian women or something) And left wing won’t accept any criticism of immigration and that certain immigrants bring more problems. Well then we’re stuck. And it’s dumb. Nuance bro.

[Alexop]

3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Or the thing with immigration. There almost can’t be a nuanced discussion. Because right wing hates immigrants let’s say (unless asian women or something) And left wing won’t accept any criticism of immigration and that certain immigrants bring more problems. Well then we’re stuck. And it’s dumb. Nuance bro.

they mostly bring problems if they are not handled correctly. If they take tons of refugees with very different cultural background than the locals and the locals are some easily offended anti-social pussies, well then you might meet some problems. But mostly, immigration is a net positive.

Edited Monday at 12:15 PM by Alexop

[PurpleTree]

5 minutes ago, Alexop said:

they mostly bring problems if they are not handled correctly. If they take tons of refugees with very different cultural background than the locals and the locals are some easily offended anti-social pussies, well then you might meet some problems. But mostly, immigration is a net positive.

Well you can’t blame the locals really for having their culture imo they are not forcing you to come there.
Like if Japanese have their culture of being very respectful and quiet or whatever. And when now let’s say a lot of disrespectful loud Americans immigrants come. Then Japanese people will be at the losing end. And it’s not a "net positive" for them if they feel unsafe and disrespected.

Edited Monday at 12:20 PM by PurpleTree

[Alexop]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Well you can’t blame the locals really for having their culture imo they are not forcing you to come there.
Like if Japanese have their culture of being very respectful and quiet or whatever. And when now let’s say a lot of disrespectful loud Americans immigrants come. Then Japanese people will be at the losing end. And it’s not a "net positive" for them if they feel unsafe and disrespected.

If you are not open to embracing different cultures, letting go of your silly cultural norms, then don't take in so many people from very different backgrounds lol.  It is like me going regularly to japanese restaurants in order to signal my japaneseness but I actually hate that food lol.

[PurpleTree]

Just now, Alexop said:

If you are not open to embracing different cultures, letting go of your silly cultural norms, then don't take in so many people from very different backgrounds lol.  It is like me going regularly to japanese restaurants in order to signal my japaneseness but I actually hate that food lol.

Well it’s not them "taking" all those people. The people just cone because there is money and safety in Scandinavian countries for example. It’s the immigrants coming. And you are an immigrant allegedly so of course you only see the positives.

[PurpleTree]

I mean it’s both of course there are jobs that always need immigration. Like nursing etc.

[Alexop]

Sweden took waaay more refugees per capita than the other european countries. It was more like: "look at us you racists"

[PurpleTree]

3 minutes ago, Alexop said:

Sweden took waaay more refugees per capita than the other european countries. It was more like: "look at us you racists"

Well they probably had a strong liberal leftist society who wanted to help. Which is nice but ultimately self destructive probably.

[PurpleTree]

The road to hell is paved with good intentions 

 

you know wha i mean?

[Alexop]

Yup

[Schizophonia]

@Alexop Maybe Swedish collective unconscious was adapted to a naturally very masculinizing environment, such as cold and few resources, and now that Sweden is a rich and modern country it must adapt so that individuals can return to more balanced behaviors.