Thoughts on NDE? (near death experienes)

[Yeah Yeah]

On 07/08/2025 at 2:56 AM, cetus said:

What NDE's have in common is the transcending of the egoic identity (surrender) which leads to awakening to higher Truths. But truth be told no one has to be near physical death to realize these Truths. That is an extreme and excessive way to go about discovering truth. Truth is always within and accessible to those who truly want to know.

I disagree, I've had many spiritual awakenings in this life time but I'm just the same as the people I pass in public who smile  to me or could nod to me or treat me like an NPC which is all seemingly interchangeable and these people behave just as spiritually evolved as I am with all my insights over the years and these insights are surely way more evolves than these other people I pass in public daily, yet it seems my spiritual or personal growth has been a hallucination or solo masturbating and I'm just the same as anyone else at the end of the day. So I have to surrender being a physical aging wage slave decaying interchangeable forgettable human and in surrendering it doesn't change anything but makes navigating the challenges of life less difficult while dying into the NDE realms you have a choice to never return again and stay in the Heaven realms where you can manifest what you want instantly and for eternity which is ultimate surrender and more preferable than constantly getting hurt and disappointed in life but gaslighting myself that surrender actually changes my life into anything worthwhile but really it doesn't manifest anything it just makes me stop complaining except towards difficulties that doesn't amount to anything but aging and decaying. When what I do like dead end jobs, no girlfriend, poor, aging, decaying, well, anyone can do this stuff it's just the way I handle it as being me as a particular organism which makes the differences, otherwise I'm socially interchangeable to even those who have never done a spiritual practise in their life, so I think to get to the heaven nde realms is a more preferable ultimate surrender which i'd rather do if guaranteed; instead of surrendering to shitty life over and over again which doesn't actually change anything but I accept what I hate and learn to shut the fuck up ... But also that if the white light heaven nde realms where you manifest what you want instantly in unconditional love doesn't get interrupted by a spirit guides handler who manipulates you into reincarnation again back into painful traumatic lives in order to become more loving as if being in heavenly realms and creating what you want isn't already in love as it is but you need to suffer and be in pain in order to learn which is bullshit I'm ignoring the handlers they will not convinced me to leave heaven I don't care  

Edited Tuesday at 05:28 PM by Yeah Yeah

[Dodo]

2 hours ago, OBEler said:

@DodoHow I would explain that to me was that you were in an awakened state, you saw the interconnectedness and at the same time a deep psychological pattern/archetype in your ego was activated. The archetype for making sacrifices for the higher good. So this was a mix of ego and enlightenment, which can lead to delusional decisions.

It is still unbelievable to see how you were not afraid to jump. I mean you were still in reality and knew the consequences. It needs immense force to do that. I am glad you slowly recover from that. 

 

The very nature of decisions and even talking about delusions, we need to give reality to time and ego first... how do we talk about delusion in the timeless?

You can see how we cant help but play i in the story of time, yet we keep on ignoring it in spiritual circles, and we focus on the eternal now, so if you kicked a cat or killed a bat in the past, you can forget about that or any punishment you might be due based on your past actions.... It feels great, but also feels a bit dishonest, like cheating, ignoring,  running away from consequences, living in a self created dream.

We might want our good deeds to be remembered... maybe you did a lot of good and a lot of bad in your life. Is there an entity that knows all you've done? And to fairly assess your life? Prrhaps! 

 

 

[Oppositionless]

If I go full on solipsist I can simply affirm "Unconsciousness does not exist. Period."

If I allow for a world outside myself I can say I am pure emptiness, nothing, absolutely nothing , and the world is also nothing.

 I have no fucking idea what will happen after the body dies .

 

Edited yesterday at 06:21 AM by Oppositionless