Debunking Solipsism

[Davino]

If Solipsism where to be true, how would you verify it?

What is the nature of other? Can other exist in Infinity?

[Wilhelm44]

13 hours ago, aurum said:

No, this is incorrect.

All supposed "other dreamers" are in your dream.

I am conscious. Are you saying that you are not conscious ?

[Davino]

The main logical error I see in the OP is the misunderstanding of Infinity. It shows that one hasn't become infinite and is just inferring from second hand. Why? Because ironically, awakening to infinity would show you solipsism, so that's already cleared. But most importantly, Infinity is not anything goes. This is a childish and neophyte notion. What I've been discovering more and more lately is that Infinity has a sublime logic to itself, a way of being and existing. Human ways of cognising infinity are less than perfect, only Infinity is Absolutely Intelligent and Perfect, which is your very own essence. 

Your logic goes this way: Like infinite means anything goes, then actually this present experience is made out of bananas. That's a possibility inside infinity, there you have it, I debunked that consciousness is the only substance by virtue of the logic of Infinity.

This is quite stupid. The essence and design of Reality needs to be a certain way for it to happen. Consciousness needs to be in place for Infinity. Truth or Absolute Existence must be in place for Infinity. Intelligence, Creativity, Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Omniscience... Must be in place for Infinity and Reality to happen. It's from this place that all multiplicity and "edge cases" and "anything goes" happens, as this Universal Sentient Reality limits and fragments itself in a cosmic dance.

[Davino]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I am conscious. Are you saying that you are not conscious ?

There's just One Consciousness and it's living through us all

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Davino said:

There's just One Consciousness and it's living through us all

With the emphasis on 'us'.

[Davino]

1 minute ago, Wilhelm44 said:

With the emphasis on 'us'.

The emphasis is in consciousness, oh God!

Doesn't matter if it's one or it fragments in trillions. Consciousness is the whole Point.

[Xonas Pitfall]

I believe the actual argument of solipsism is that the 'substrate' or the foundation of all reality is consciousness, the Self, or infinity. Other minds would just be limited, fragmented creations of that infinite, singular Self.

It’s kind of like saying slices of an apple exist, yes, but they are all still made of the same apple. Separation exists because it has to, in order to complete the infinity, as you said. But only illusionary, underneath, it’s all the same: infinity, one, one Self. Hope that helps!  

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, Davino said:

The emphasis is in consciousness, oh God!

Doesn't matter if it's one or it fragments in trillions. Consciousness is the whole Point.

No it does matter, viewing others as not imbued with consciousness just don't feel right.

[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, Davino said:

There's just One Consciousness and it's living through us all

But if you awaken deeper ,you realize that you are the only conscious entity in the whole universe .

You imagine "us".

[Davino]

1 minute ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

I believe the actual argument of solipsism is that the 'substrate' or the foundation of all reality is consciousness, the Self, or infinity. Other minds would just be limited, fragmented creations of that infinite, singular Self.

Yes, it's that simple. 

The difficulty lies in realising: I am Consciousness, the Self, God and Infinity.

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Someone here said:

But if you awaken deeper ,you realize that you are the only conscious entity in the whole universe .

You imagine "us".

Yes there's only one Consciousness, but there are many apparent beings, and all of them have access to Consciousness.

[Davino]

3 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

No it does matter, viewing others as not imbued with consciousness just don't feel right.

I'm saying all is consciousness. Every particle of your mother is made out of pure empty consciousness.

[Someone here]

@Wilhelm44 bro..i specifically attached Leo's picture to imply that's what Leo would say 😂. 

[Davino]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

If you awaken deeper ,you realize that you are the only conscious entity in the whole universe .

How do you know that?

Another told you?

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Davino said:

I'm saying all is consciousness. Every particle of your mother is made out of pure empty consciousness.

I'm not debating that. I'm talking about the validity of each individual as a conscious being.

[Wilhelm44]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

@Wilhelm44 bro..i specifically attached Leo's picture to imply that's what Leo would say 😂. 

God damn it, a part of me feels there's some truth to solipsism, it just don't make any logical sense though.

[Meeksauce]

11 minutes ago, Xonas Pitfall said:

I believe the actual argument of solipsism is that the 'substrate' or the foundation of all reality is consciousness, the Self, or infinity. Other minds would just be limited, fragmented creations of that infinite, singular Self.

It’s kind of like saying slices of an apple exist, yes, but they are all still made of the same apple. Separation exists because it has to, in order to complete the infinity, as you said. But only illusionary, underneath, it’s all the same: infinity, one, one Self. Hope that helps!  

This sounds more like a definition of God than solipsism. Solipsism to me is the idea that only your mind exists and other beings have no consciousness.

[Meeksauce]

22 minutes ago, Davino said:

The main logical error I see in the OP is the misunderstanding of Infinity. It shows that one hasn't become infinite and is just inferring from second hand. Why? Because ironically, awakening to infinity would show you solipsism, so that's already cleared. But most importantly, Infinity is not anything goes. This is a childish and neophyte notion. What I've been discovering more and more lately is that Infinity has a sublime logic to itself, a way of being and existing. Human ways of cognising infinity are less than perfect, only Infinity is Absolutely Intelligent and Perfect, which is your very own essence. 

Your logic goes this way: Like infinite means anything goes, then actually this present experience is made out of bananas. That's a possibility inside infinity, there you have it, I debunked that consciousness is the only substance by virtue of the logic of Infinity.

This is quite stupid. The essence and design of Reality needs to be a certain way for it to happen. Consciousness needs to be in place for Infinity. Truth or Absolute Existence must be in place for Infinity. Intelligence, Creativity, Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Omniscience... Must be in place for Infinity and Reality to happen. It's from this place that all multiplicity and "edge cases" and "anything goes" happens, as this Universal Sentient Reality limits and fragments itself in a cosmic dance.

I can get behind the idea that consciousness is the ground for any form to occur. Where you lose me, is where you say the same consciousness resides in all beings and this is somehow solipsism. Even if it's the same meta-being or consciousness living through every being, they are still nonetheless conscious, which is not the idea that solipsism really conveys.

[Someone here]

9 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

God damn it, a part of me feels there's some truth to solipsism, it just don't make any logical sense though.

Let's think about it really ..solipsism literally says you are the only human being who is conscious. Other human beings or animals which you see everywhere are not conscious. 

Is that true or false ?

And how do you know ?

This summarises the entire conversation. 

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, Someone here said:

Let's think about it really ..solipsism literally says you are the only human being who is conscious. Other human beings or animals which you see everywhere are not conscious. 

Is that true or false ?

And how do you know ?

This summarises the entire conversation. 

Well logically that is impossible. Im definitely conscious. Are you telling me that you are not conscious. Be honest, are you just some cartoon character in my dream ?