Debunking Solipsism

[Meeksauce]

51 minutes ago, Sempiternity said:

Only thing God cannot do, is not exist, as it's everything. God is Consciousness. There cannot be anything outside of God's consciousness. Consciousness is Direct Experience. Anything outside of Direct Experience is an assumption that it exists. To Direct Experience, it is all that there is. I can assume that there is a unicorn out there somewhere, that I am not currently experiencing, that does not make it so. I stick with what I 100% know to be true, and that is what is Direct Experience right Now. So by this, if it is not within Direct Experience, within Consciousness, it does not exist. And the only thing God cannot do is not exist. 

Just because something isn't in your direct experience doesn't mean it can't exist. That's kind of a retarded line of reasoning. Yes I'm assuming other people exist based on logic, but keep in mind the only way other people could possibly exist is for them not to be in your direct experience.

[Sempiternity]

50 minutes ago, Meeksauce said:

Just because something isn't in your direct experience doesn't mean it can't exist. That's kind of a retarded line of reasoning. Yes I'm assuming other people exist based on logic, but keep in mind the only way other people could possibly exist is for them not to be in your direct experience.

To assume there is anything outside direct experience is just as "retarted". You are the one who started a conversation on Solipsism. Watch your tone son. 

[Meeksauce]

12 minutes ago, Sempiternity said:

To assume there is anything outside direct experience is just as "retarted". You are the one who started a conversation on Solipsism. Watch your tone son. 

I started this conversation with the hope that people would actually read what I said and do some free thinking instead of just touting off what every non dual teacher says

[OBEler]

@Sempiternity "There cannot be anything outside of God's consciousness. Consciousness is Direct Experience. Anything outside of Direct Experience is an assumption that it exists. "

That's not logical. Just because you must assume that something outside your direct experience exist doesn't mean it cannot exist.

[OBEler]

8 minutes ago, Meeksauce said:

I started this conversation with the hope that people would actually read what I said and do some free thinking instead of just touting off what every non dual teacher says

I can feel you. people here are so brainwashed that they can't read and think anymore properly. 

[Someone here]

Solipsism is true even if its false . Not that other people aren't conscious..that would be moronic..but that as far as you are concerned they don't. Only your consciousness matters .am I right ? 

Your consciousness is actual .here it fucking is .other's aren't because you have to imagine it .this is weird man.

[Meeksauce]

19 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Solipsism is true even if its false . Not that other people aren't conscious..that would be moronic..but that as far as you are concerned they don't. Only your consciousness matters .am I right ? 

Your consciousness is actual .here it fucking is .other's aren't because you have to imagine it .this is weird man.

I think other minds existing or not makes all the difference in the world. It keeps coming back to the question of whether you go through every possible iteration or just imagine lives you want to live indefinitely. I keep asking Leo this question and he never answers it lol. If you're saying that because we can't experience other beings they aren't there, that was impossible in the first place. You can't be you and verify another mind.

Edited Friday at 10:50 AM by Meeksauce

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Meeksauce said:

I think other minds existing or not makes all the difference in the world.

It actually doesn't.  Why do you think this ?

[Meeksauce]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

It actually doesn't.  Why do you think this ?

Existentially it doesn't but personally it does. I would really like to know if the people close to me are ghosts and if they would even suffer if someone hurt him. This would change the way I view the world on every level, and make me much more empathetic.

[OBEler]

7 minutes ago, Someone here said:

It actually doesn't.  Why do you think this ?

Oh It absolutely does. You just say what Leo said in one video without your own thoughts.

Edited Friday at 10:56 AM by OBEler

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Meeksauce said:

Existentially it doesn't but personally it does. I would really like to know if the people close to me are ghosts and if they would even suffer if someone hurt him. This would change the way I view the world on every level, and make me much more empathetic.

It can't be explained to you.only you can explain it to yourself because you are experiencing it far deeper than words are able to describe it.

This is why masters don't ask a lot of questions from other people.

 

[Someone here]

5 minutes ago, OBEler said:

Oh It absolutely does.

No it absolutely doesn't. 

[Meeksauce]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

No it absolutely doesn't. 

If you stab someone, it doesn't matter to you whether they feel that pain or not? Seems like a pretty nihilistic worldview to me

[Meeksauce]

4 minutes ago, Someone here said:

It can't be explained to you.only you can explain it to yourself because you are experiencing it far deeper than words are able to describe it.

This is why masters don't ask a lot of questions from other people.

 

I did explain it to myself, re: the first post in this forum. I'm still strongly in the camp that other minds do exist. I don't see anything wrong with asking someone who has a lot of experience in this field what they think.

[Someone here]

 

5 minutes ago, Meeksauce said:

If you stab someone, it doesn't matter to you whether they feel that pain or not? Seems like a pretty nihilistic worldview to me

I contemplate why does anything at all matters ? Pick a rock from the ground and ask yourself "does this rock matter "?..everyday animals are dying by rate of millions per minute Whether in the jungle or Slaughtered to feed humans ..then it seems like this doesn't matter to god because he doesn't do anything to stop this .in fact he is the one who created it this way . 

Edited Friday at 11:09 AM by Someone here

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Meeksauce said:

I did explain it to myself, re: the first post in this forum. I'm still strongly in the camp that other minds do exist. I don't see anything wrong with asking someone who has a lot of experience in this field what they think.

OK sorry 🙏. I'll leave .

[Meeksauce]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

OK sorry 🙏. I'll leave .

I mean I am curious why you think it doesn't matter if other minds exist. It just puzzles me how someone could have this worldview, and maybe I'm missing something. I'm not trying to crack the whip down on everyone lol just go through this logically and coherently.

[Meeksauce]

10 minutes ago, Someone here said:

 

I contemplate why does anything at all matters ? Pick a rock from the ground and ask yourself "does this rock matter "?..everyday animals are dying by rate of millions per minute Whether in the jungle or Slaughtered to feed humans ..then it seems like this doesn't matter to god because he doesn't do anything to stop this .in fact he is the one who created it this way . 

Sorry didn't see this at first. I don't think the massive scale of reality is a compelling argument for lack of meaning for me. Yes God enables suffering but it's all for a higher purpose. When we only think in absolutes and never consider the relative, I can see how it's easy to feel insignificant. But from the POV of a human you have a very limited number of people around you and limited opportunities to do great things in life. Try to appreciate the beauty of how many positive things can come from life even though we're so limited, unintelligent, and insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

[Someone here]

@Meeksauce

When people are telling you that "I can't explain it..you have to do the work" that just means no one can put it into words other than you . Sometimes I'm also guilty of this..but now I'm attempting to answer this question for you now.

 About nothing matters..You have to see the want of the ego first to see this .

The ego wants mostly two things: 

1-avoid pain

2-get pleasure/comfort

Notice that these two things won't help you to evolve. If you avoid pain then you won't get stronger.. if you're in your comfort zone.. you don't develop yourself. 

So if you love yourself..you have to accept pain and discomfort in your life because that's what keeps you growing.

Does pain matter ? To who ?  if you are a beginner in spiritual path I bet that you understand something that is called in this community as "no self ". That there no actual people or persons inside these bodies you see everyday going through their lives.  Then to whom do things matter ?

That's just my perspective. 

[Someone here]

4 minutes ago, Meeksauce said:

Sorry didn't see this at first. I don't think the massive scale of reality is a compelling argument for lack of meaning for me. Yes God enables suffering but it's all for a higher purpose. When we only think in absolutes and never consider the relative, I can see how it's easy to feel insignificant. But from the POV of a human you have a very limited number of people around you and limited opportunities to do great things in life. Try to appreciate the beauty of how many positive things can come from life even though we're so limited, unintelligent, and insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

Sure . Nothing matters does not mean you should crawl in a cave and die from hunger or suicide yourself or cut your genitals.  It actually doesn't matter. You can achieve cutting edge scientific discoveries which will eternalize your name forever like Albert Einstein..why ? Precisely because it doesn't matter .