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Getting Help Determining my Degree of Awakening?

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14 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

These are the things that are keeping me from being enlightened, based on direct subjective experience.

OK thanks.

I just wonder if "enlightenment" will really be like that, you know? A lot of people throw out a lot of ideas and criteria, but really seeing it in action, real life meeting people in this state? Haven't seen it yet. Just a lot of talk, and people that call themselves awake are far away from being awake/enlightened in my perspective. Simply observing their behavior gives me VERY CLEAR impression of a lot of "no" to your questions. 

Also, there is the idea that it is the same for everybody, is it really like that? Who knows. 


Here are smart words that present my apparent identity but don't mean anything. At all. 

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On 11.8.2025 at 11:34 AM, theleelajoker said:

OK thanks.

I just wonder if "enlightenment" will really be like that, you know? A lot of people throw out a lot of ideas and criteria, but really seeing it in action, real life meeting people in this state? Haven't seen it yet. Just a lot of talk, and people that call themselves awake are far away from being awake/enlightened in my perspective. Simply observing their behavior gives me VERY CLEAR impression of a lot of "no" to your questions.

You can be liberated in this life but you will still have prarabdha karma, the karma that will play out in this life. You will do certain things, and some of those things can be more or less aligned with the liberated understanding. That's where you get liberated assholes vs liberated saints. It's not such a difficult idea. Breaking identification of the mind does not instantly and completely transform the mind. It's a process.

You can look at behavior, but in my experience, looking at energy is a better indicator. Even though a behavior might be slightly off, if the energy is on, you at least know they are in an impressive state, just not a saint.

 

On 11.8.2025 at 11:34 AM, theleelajoker said:

Also, there is the idea that it is the same for everybody, is it really like that? Who knows. 

The behavior is not the same for everybody, exactly. The prarabdha karma of a tobacco salesman in the slums of India is different than a German ex-academic who lives in Cambridge.

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