Amazing Atheist Takes the Red Pill

[Emerald]

Just now, Raze said:

Not true, survey data shows young men who regularly go on dates are less likely to support gender equality 

This is a study of 8th and 10th grade boys. Not exactly a great sample population for the study.

Also, going on more dates doesn't mean that those dates are turning into relationships.

In fact, more dates could mean less relationship success.

Who do you think has gone on more dates?

Someone in a longterm relationship? Or someone who has never had a longterm relationship but is continuously looking for one?

[Raze]

3 minutes ago, Emerald said:

This is a study of 8th and 10th grade boys. Not exactly a great sample population for the study.

Also, going on more dates doesn't mean that those dates are turning into relationships.

In fact, more dates could mean less relationship success.

Who do you think has gone on more dates?

Someone in a longterm relationship? Or someone who has never had a longterm relationship but is continuously looking for one?

Generally young men who go on more dates are having more casual and long term relationships than ones that don’t.

I also edited my comment and added a study of older young men that found successfully successful men were more misogynistic than sexually unsuccessful men.

Given how often women complain about men they date being uncaring and using them for sex, it’s unlikely they are filtering out toxic men and the lonely men are just the toxic ones. This is the case in some circumstances, but overall plenty of men can be fine people and be lonely and plenty of toxic men can get plenty of attention from women.

[Emerald]

5 minutes ago, Raze said:

 

There are two groups of misogynists... nerdy misogynists with victim complexes who are sucked into online propaganda pipelines (Incels/Red Pill) and hyper-aggressive misogynistic guys with machiavellian tendencies (who are like that regardless of propaganda, as they have been in every era). 

Both of these groups have extreme disdain for women... and a resistance to the Feminine more generally.

So, either way, neither of these groups are good husband and father material. And any woman who gets into a relationship with a man from either of these groups will be in for a world of misery and abuse.

But I can see that some women might be attracted to the hyper-aggressive misogynist guys... as these guys might be more outgoing and socially adept than the nerdy Incels. And these guys might actually come across as having some level of Masculine swagger. Plus, they might be pushy enough that they push themselves into a woman's life who has more porous boundaries.

But the kind of men that a huge swath of the female population are sorting for are the ones that whine and complain about women all the time... and use the same misogynistic talking points that they picked up from internet propaganda.

They're easy to pin-point out because they talk in propaganda speak about hypergamy and Chads and women being "ran through". So, they're very easy to sort for on dating apps and in person.

Hence why there's so much complaint around the "male loneliness epidemic".... because these bitter guys who resent women are being sorted from consideration.

[Emerald]

11 minutes ago, Raze said:

Generally young men who go on more dates are having more casual and long term relationships than ones that don’t.

I also edited my comment and added a study of older young men that found successfully successful men were more misogynistic than sexually unsuccessful men.

Given how often women complain about men they date being uncaring and using them for sex, it’s unlikely they are filtering out toxic men and the lonely men are just the toxic ones. This is the case in some circumstances, but overall plenty of men can be fine people and be lonely and plenty of toxic men can get plenty of attention from women.

I'm going to need to see some more convincing studies. The first one was a survey of 8th grade and 12th grade boys. And the last one you gave was just a statement. I need to know sources, sample sizes, and how the questions are asked.

Most of the misogynistic men that I run across on the internet seem to be lonely nerdy guys who are bitter towards women. It's rare to run into an internet misogynist with social skills.

But I would find it very hard to believe that men could be influenced by all this misogynistic internet propaganda and that large groups of women wouldn't be on high alert for it. You really don't think women are taking these things into consideration while dating?

If I were dating and going on dating apps, I'd be scouring the app for tells about whether a guys is into Red Pill stuff before I ever agreed to meet up with him. Even some subtle tell would be enough to set me off.

And I'm almost 100% sure that this describes a sizable percentage of the young female population... since most of them are VERY aware of how bad the misogyny issue has become in recent years.

[Raze]

34 minutes ago, Emerald said:

But I can see that some women might be attracted to the hyper-aggressive misogynist guys... as these guys might be more outgoing and socially adept than the nerdy Incels. And these guys might actually come across as having some level of Masculine swagger. Plus, they might be pushy enough that they push themselves into a woman's life who has more porous boundaries.

But the kind of men that a huge swath of the female population are sorting for are the ones that whine and complain about women all the time... and use the same misogynistic talking points that they picked up from internet propaganda.

They're easy to pin-point out because they talk in propaganda speak about hypergamy and Chads and women being "ran through". So, they're very easy to sort for on dating apps and in person.

Hence why there's so much complaint around the "male loneliness epidemic".... because these bitter guys who resent women are being sorted from consideration.

Those guys are a small minority who rarely interact with women. That’s not the cause of mass singledom among men.

 

23 minutes ago, Emerald said:

I'm going to need to see some more convincing studies. The first one was a survey of 8th grade and 12th grade boys. And the last one you gave was just a statement. I need to know sources, sample sizes, and how the questions are asked.

Most of the misogynistic men that I run across on the internet seem to be lonely nerdy guys who are bitter towards women. It's rare to run into an internet misogynist with social skills.

But I would find it very hard to believe that men could be influenced by all this misogynistic internet propaganda and that large groups of women wouldn't be on high alert for it. You really don't think women are taking these things into consideration while dating?

If I were dating and going on dating apps, I'd be scouring the app for tells about whether a guys is into Red Pill stuff before I ever agreed to meet up with him. Even some subtle tell would be enough to set me off.

And I'm almost 100% sure that this describes a sizable percentage of the young female population... since most of them are VERY aware of how bad the misogyny issue has become in recent years.

I don’t really understand why it being a survey of 8 to 12 grade boys makes it not reliable, why would the trend stop existing after that age.

The statement was a summary of the findings of the study I linked.

You’re making many assumptions that are wrong

1) that these Internet misogynists are a large segment of the population who women are constantly interacting with irl, they are a minority who mostly avoid women outside of the Internet. The ones who would outright tell their beliefs to women are a smaller minority of probably autistic ones with absolutely no social awareness. I doubt women would need new awareness to avoid such guys who they probably already would avoid even if they weren’t openly misogynistic since they were likely unattractive even before that. 

2) you’re assuming they’re lonely because they’re misogynistic, more likely they were already lonely and failing with women and became misogynistic as a result 

3) you’re assuming they represent the majority of lonely men. They don’t, for example they are often associated with far right beliefs, but other studies of self described incels find they are overall left leaning. That’s because the vocal ideological minority is more right wing. And it’s likely a even bigger difference with lonely men who don’t self describe as incels.

Edited Thursday at 06:57 AM by Raze