Hamas: Terroists/Freedom Fighters/Or just some dudes tryna catch a break?

[samijiben]

And people continue to wonder why there is war...

It is because of PEOPLE like this... Not ONLY people like this, but, do you get the memo?

We are dealing with a play of ALL BAD-ACTORS!

Israel, Palestine, Hamas, IDF, Shin Ber, Iran, Amrka, European nations, UNRWA, UN, Syria, Lebanon, Hezbolla, Egypt, Jordan, Yemen, Houthi, Iraq, Jews, Muslims, Arabs, Israelis, Muslim-Israelis, Palestinain-Israelis, those living in territories without so much as a national identity, and all the poor people suffering from this mess.

 

All of them, fucked.

 

This means that you cannot take sides. If you cannot take sides, your position falls apart. If your position falls apart, then there is reconciliation, solution, or end to this Fucking Insanity lol

Not funny.

[samijiben]

Just to be specific, so that I am making a point, my goal here is to show that Hamas is just as much responsible for the Fuckery in Gaza as any other bad actor.

Hamas is a big part of the reason why the Gaza population is experiencing a famine. It is not merely because of ethnic cleanding and constsnt bombardment, nor even that they do not have enough food, but that Hamas steals it all.

[Raze]

5 minutes ago, samijiben said:

Just to be specific, so that I am making a point, my goal here is to show that Hamas is just as much responsible for the Fuckery in Gaza as any other bad actor.

Hamas is a big part of the reason why the Gaza population is experiencing a famine. It is not merely because of ethnic cleanding and constsnt bombardment, nor even that they do not have enough food, but that Hamas steals it all.

- so far israel has provided no proof Hamas steals food according to mainstream outlets and a US official 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/u-s-envoy-says-israel-has-not-shown-evidence-that-hamas-is-diverting-un-aid-in-gaza

at the same time israel has aided other gangs who loot aid

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/05/israel-accused-of-arming-palestinian-gang-who-allegedly-looted-aid-in-gaza

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-11-11/ty-article/.premium/the-idf-is-allowing-gaza-gangs-to-loot-aid-trucks-and-extort-protection-fees-from-drivers/00000193-17fb-d50e-a3db-57ff16af0000

- you should also mention the GHF has shot and killed over 200 Palestinians trying to get aid

Edited June 12 by Raze

[samijiben]

@Raze Is local Palestinians protesting against Hamas in Gaza crying to "give us the food" and getting shot for doing so proof enough for you?

If this is also fake news, then everything I say is wrong. Can't trust my news sources, can I? I mean, even if you were right there, would you know what is really happening?

My point here is not to make a political claim. Fuck that, you feel me, bro? No, I just want to point out that the Israel-Palestine conflict is a particularly pernicious permutation of debaucherous human insanity gone too far, and that it cannot be touched with opinion or logic, even though Leo said that there are higher perspectives. Yes, there are, and I acknowledged someone in the Greta post on this subforum who espoused an incredibly astute POV of this nonsense/bullshit.

I am just saying that it is not what you think, it is not good vs. evil scenario, everyone I see is framing it this way. Leo is one of the very few humans I have come across who has a genuine grasp of this PARTICULAR issue, no glaze  lol

 

[Raze]

41 minutes ago, samijiben said:

@Raze Is local Palestinians protesting against Hamas in Gaza crying to "give us the food" and getting shot for doing so proof enough for you?

If this is also fake news, then everything I say is wrong. Can't trust my news sources, can I? I mean, even if you were right there, would you know what is really happening?

My point here is not to make a political claim. Fuck that, you feel me, bro? No, I just want to point out that the Israel-Palestine conflict is a particularly pernicious permutation of debaucherous human insanity gone too far, and that it cannot be touched with opinion or logic, even though Leo said that there are higher perspectives. Yes, there are, and I acknowledged someone in the Greta post on this subforum who espoused an incredibly astute POV of this nonsense/bullshit.

I am just saying that it is not what you think, it is not good vs. evil scenario, everyone I see is framing it this way. Leo is one of the very few humans I have come across who has a genuine grasp of this PARTICULAR issue, no glaze  lol

Essentially you’re just saying there are bad people on both sides therefore it’s not politics it’s just humanity.

That is a propaganda tactic to make it seem like it’s a unsolvable issue with two equal sides and an unclear situation.

It isn’t. The simple reality is one side is occupying millions of people and has been mass killing them for decades. Every human rights organization and international legal body of relevance says the occupation is illegal. Nearly every country votes for it to end at the UN. There has been a deal on the table for peace for decades which is unilateraly blocked by the USA at direction of israel. 

The reason why they have to deny and distract and overinflate is not just to convince people onto their side, but to make civil society not organize to pressure the international community to actually stop enabling it. 
 

When we look back at apartheid South Africa we don’t say “hmm well yes apartheid was bad but the people resisting it also did bad things so it was basically just humanity being bad and nothing we could do about it”. What made it stop was understanding whatever their faults, one side was being oppressed and pressure had to be put on the oppressor for them to shift.

Edited June 12 by Raze

[PurpleTree]

What’s the UNs fault in this? They tried imo

[samijiben]

@Raze

Again, bro, my point is not to make a political claim & certainly not to propogandize

To chalk my opinion up to propoganda is insulting and shows that you cannot fathom WHAT I am talking about.

You are still framing this issue as good versus evil. Israelis bad. Occupation bad. Genocide bad. Poor Palestinians, the victims of the Israeli nationalist selfish colonial violent machiavellian mentality. That you think there is a clear aggressor and victim of aggression in this scenario shows me that you have taken a side.

Look, man, I respect your view, even though it is black and white, it is nuanced and I can tell you are passionate about politics, that your heart burns for the starving children and dead kids under rubble. But you are still framing it with untenable logic.

To deny Hamas's role in this war is ridiculous. Obviously they did not start it, but they did provoke this particular battle...

Also, to look at the history and conclude that Israel has been trying to ethnically cleanse and "mass killing" Muslims and Palestinians ever since its inception & before — now THAT'S propaganda!

The reason why you can't chalk up this issue to good versus evil scenario is because of the profoundly personal role your mind plays in making sense of this.

First, you assumr that Israel is united, that Israel is the aggresor because it has the power to be one. But it doesn't. Because Israel, just like Palestine, are words that mean nothing. The people who identify with them are the ones in question, but they do not agree amongst themselves. You first have to define categories into existence to create a situation where good is pitted against evil. You then have to rationalize who started what because of course this war could not have arisen as a natural consequence of delusion. It had to be nationalism or zionism or the Occupation or the Genocide. Buzz words. What if there is no Genocide in Gaza?

Now don't freak out. What if there actually is no Genocide in Gaza? Just consider. You may even be imagining it into existence, my dude: that most non-trivial of points.

This does not mean that there are no solutions, and as I mentioned, a gentleman in the Greta post on this subforum had a stellar solution that I acknowledged. Of course it won't happen anytime soon because humans love to take their sides. They won't drop them, because they identify with them. Survival > truth

I will try to make my point one more time. I don't care to argue with you. Intelligent discussion only please

So, for the last time, I am saying that Israelis are not at fault for the war and so-called Genocide in Gaza, nor is Hamas, nor is America, nor is ANY ONE PARTY! ALL ARE BAD ACTORS! DIG IT!

@PurpleTree

There is No Way the UN is NOT corrupt. Case in point.