All of this is just the right’s psychological projection.

[Apparition of Jack]

So the argument goes “we need to crack down on illegal immigration because everyone coming over is a violent drug-dealing rapist.” That’s the basis of the logic for what’s happening.

The problem is, this isn’t true. Countless impartial studies have found that migrant communities commit less crime than native-born ones, but this would never be accepted by those supporting mass deportations because their worldview won’t allow it.

And the reason this is is due to psychological projection. 
 

White America as a whole is a lot less “civil”, “law-abiding” and “professional” as it would have you believe. There is a deep-seated pathological cultural of betrayal, corruption, egotism and outright criminal activity within white society it hasnt yet grappled with. This is most patently evident in the fact that their arch-messiah Donald Trump is quite literally a criminal conman who uses mob tactics and violent intimidation to maintain power.

I am of course not saying that individual migrants can’t be involved in crime, and obviously any crime doer should be punished, but that’s not the point I’m trying to make here.

What I’m saying is that everything White America fears about migrants / brown people / black people etc is at its core a terrified reflection of itself.

I don’t know what went wrong and frankly I don’t care to find out, but somewhere along the way White America as a whole (not individual white people mind you) lost its way and turned to greed, hatred and envy instead of decency, justice and humanity.

If you’re a white person reading this, I would strongly urge you to find your sense of common humanity, love and tolerance in these trying times, in whatever way you can think of. If you’re truly committed to peace, growth, human flourishing and consciousness, it only makes sense that you look to see the best in others and don’t become blind to the wrongdoings committed by people of your own race. America, to me, was founded upon the principle that all people - white, black, Hispanic, man, woman, gay, straight - were endowed with inalienable rights that could never be removed through tyranny.

If you truly believe in America, wouldn’t you believe in this? It only makes sense as your duty as a patriotic American to uphold those ideals. What else do you think America stands for? Money? Brad Pitt? Diet Coke? That’s not America, you can have those anywhere. What makes America unique from all other countries? You tell me.

Edited June 10 by Apparition of Jack

[PurpleTree]

Nice. So is this just like an opinion? Or do you know this?

27 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

If you’re a white person reading this, I would strongly urge you to find your sense of common humanity, love and tolerance in these trying times, in whatever way you can think of. . If you’re truly committed to peace, growth, human flourishing and consciousness, it only makes sense that you look to see the best in others and don’t become blind to the wrongdoings committed by people of your own race.

Do you personally also try to see the best in the Maga crowd and fascist or even just republicans and right wingers?

Edited June 10 by PurpleTree

[carterfelder]

45 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

So the argument goes “we need to crack down on illegal immigration because everyone coming over is a violent drug-dealing rapist.” That’s the basis of the logic for what’s happening.

The problem is, this isn’t true. Countless impartial studies have found that migrant communities commit less crime than native-born ones, but this would never be accepted by those supporting mass deportations because their worldview won’t allow it.

And the reason this is is due to psychological projection. 
 

White America as a whole is a lot less “civil”, “law-abiding” and “professional” as it would have you believe. There is a deep-seated pathological cultural of betrayal, corruption, egotism and outright criminal activity within white society it hasnt yet grappled with. This is most patently evident in the fact that their arch-messiah Donald Trump is quite literally a criminal conman who uses mob tactics and violent intimidation to maintain power.

I am of course not saying that individual migrants can’t be involved in crime, and obviously any crime doer should be punished, but that’s not the point I’m trying to make here.

What I’m saying is that everything White America fears about migrants / brown people / black people etc is at its core a terrified reflection of itself.

I don’t know what went wrong and frankly I don’t care to find out, but somewhere along the way White America as a whole (not individual white people mind you) lost its way and turned to greed, hatred and envy instead of decency, justice and humanity.

If you’re a white person reading this, I would strongly urge you to find your sense of common humanity, love and tolerance in these trying times, in whatever way you can think of. If you’re truly committed to peace, growth, human flourishing and consciousness, it only makes sense that you look to see the best in others and don’t become blind to the wrongdoings committed by people of your own race. America, to me, was founded upon the principle that all people - white, black, Hispanic, man, woman, gay, straight - were endowed with inalienable rights that could never be removed through tyranny.

If you truly believe in America, wouldn’t you believe in this? It only makes sense as your duty as a patriotic American to uphold those ideals. What else do you think America stands for? Money? Brad Pitt? Diet Coke? That’s not America, you can have those anywhere. What makes America unique from all other countries? You tell me.

Racist much?

[Apparition of Jack]

26 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Nice. So is this just like an opinion? Or do you know this?

Do you personally also try to see the best in the Maga crowd and fascist or even just republicans and right wingers?

I mean, call it intuition if you will. And yes, I do actually. Part of my goal is to bridge gaps between everyone, including people I vehemently disagree with. It’s just that sometimes you have to make a stand to defend the things you truly believe in. If someone from the right wishes to join me in fighting for freedom and democracy, I’m all ears.

[Apparition of Jack]

6 minutes ago, carterfelder said:

Racist much?

I’m not saying other races don’t have problems. Clearly Latino, African etc countries are struggling. But I am saying that as a collective entity, white Americans holds far more power than all these other nations combined, and so if they choose division and chaos, they have a much greater chance to make this a reality. With power comes responsibility and all that, which is something I feel like a lot of white people have unfortunately forgotten. 

[oldhandle]

I think it's funny that people try to act like USA was ever a respectable country - literally was built on slavery and exterminating the natives. 

[PurpleTree]

11 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

I mean, call it intuition if you will. And yes, I do actually. Part of my goal is to bridge gaps between everyone, including people I vehemently disagree with. It’s just that sometimes you have to make a stand to defend the things you truly believe in. If someone from the right wishes to join me in fighting for freedom and democracy, I’m all ears.

Nice.

7 minutes ago, oldhandle said:

I think it's funny that people try to act like USA was ever a respectable country - literally was built on slavery and exterminating the natives. 

You are on a roll man. I wonder if next you’re going to talk about the patriarchy,  genocide or white fragility. I’m very excited.

[oldhandle]

Huh? lol

[PurpleTree]

10 minutes ago, oldhandle said:

Huh? lol

My bad. I confused you and OP because you have a similar profile pic and same ideology.

[oldhandle]

58 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

My bad. I confused you and OP because you have a similar profile pic and same ideology.

An asian man in an Iron Man suit is a similar profile pic to Jesus Christ?

[PurpleTree]

15 minutes ago, oldhandle said:

An asian man in an Iron Man suit is a similar profile pic to Jesus Christ?

The colour pattern looked similar enough. Small-ish phone and was out and about. Anything else?

[zazen]

You’ll love these two vids, best listened to at 1.25x speed.

From the past:

To the present:

The second video is especially comprehensive and prophetic of what’s occurring today. For the most part, a pretty on point and devastating analysis, not without its flaws.

The right isn't wholly wrong about pointing out certain issues and even facts around those issues. They often claim they're all about “facts over feelings”. The issues come with their narrative around those facts, that their feelings inform. They’re feelings rationalise around those facts, to affirm their own prejudices.

They take real patterns that may be observable (such as over-representation of x group in crime, poverty etc) and then pathologize those groups as innately inferior. When their own group show up in statistics or do wrong, they exceptionalize them as individual anomalies to maintain their own sense of superiority - otherwise known as American exceptionalism.

They turn circumstance into a condition. Systemic circumstances can cause certain conditions - that force people to live within the limits of those conditions. They de-contextualise in order to essentialise - attributing wrongdoing in behavior to the inherent nature or essence of that out-group.

On the other hand: the tendency of the left is to sanitise and individualise instead of pathologise and generalise. At their best they fear acknowledging harsh truths because they fear those truths energising the far right who will mis-use them to justify injustices. At their worst, they fear facing the reality of survival and power dynamics that counters their own idea of human goodness.

Realities of survival and power dynamics threatens the lefts moral framework because they haven’t synthesized the ideals of principles - with the realities of power and survival. They either deny those realities or have an incorrect relationship to it - the most extreme political manifestation being communism.

The right understand and mis-use realpolitik, the left don’t accommodate reality into their own politik - because the cold reality of nature puts into question their view of nature being good. The physical nature of power isn’t good by default - the concept of good doesn’t even exist in that plane. It’s just raw and neutral - only becoming good when nurtured by principles from the non-physical plane of the soul. Civilization is about buffering the reality of power with the conscience of principles.

 

Edited June 10 by zazen

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

On 10. 6. 2025 at 5:55 PM, oldhandle said:

I think it's funny that people try to act like USA was ever a respectable country - literally was built on slavery and exterminating the natives. 

Name one country on this planet whose history isn't rooted in slavery and the extermination of natives

[PurpleTree]

3 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Name one country on this planet whose history isn't rooted in slavery and the extermination of natives

Iceland, Finland, Ireland?

Edited June 11 by PurpleTree

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

8 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Iceland, Finland, Ireland?

If you mantained a very narrow view of slavery and extermination of the natives, then yes. But I don't. Violence has always existed in every corner of the planet, and every country was build on violence in some way, shape or form

[PurpleTree]

3 hours ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

If you mantained a very narrow view of slavery and extermination of the natives, then yes. But I don't. Violence has always existed in every corner of the planet, and every country was build on violence in some way, shape or form

Yea also it didn’t really matter it was the way things were kind of normalcy. Life was brutal. Europeans were brutal. Native Americans were brutal. Mayans were brutal etc. But since we have things like Geneva, convention, human rights and so on it does matter.