Geoengineering is an Awesome Life Purpose

[Wilhelm44]

What proble

Just now, aurum said:

But you just said nature knows how to evolve just fine.

If humans are a part of evolution, how do you know that nature doesn't want us to replace nature? How do you know the next evolutionary move doesn't come through humans? 

A better question would be, what problem do you have with nature ? Why this fantasy of being able to replace nature ? 

[Wilhelm44]

And how do you know that nature wants to be replaced ? It just seems like the peak of human arrogance to me.

[Eskilon]

5 minutes ago, aurum said:

It's a type of evolution, just a rather trivial one.

Evolution is not limited to ideas like evolutionary biology.

I see where you are coming from. It`s weird to frame it as evolution as opposed to change.

But as GOD, you are always correct so I`ll let you pass

[Wilhelm44]

3 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

I see where you are coming from. It`s weird to frame it as evolution as opposed to change.

But as GOD, you are always correct so I`ll let you pass

So when im being a devil i get a free pass because im still God, I dont think so.

[aurum]

6 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

What proble

A better question would be, what problem do you have with nature ? Why this fantasy of being able to replace nature ? 

I have no problem with nature. It's lovely.

I'm just not closed to possibilities around evolution. And you are.

You're okay with evolution, but not if "real forests" get replaced by "artificial forests". 

6 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

And how do you know that nature wants to be replaced ? It just seems like the peak of human arrogance to me.

All nature does is replace things with other things.

As humans, you'd have to look at things on a case by case basis, to judge what should or shouldn't be replaced.

This is already happening.

You see human arrogance, I see humanity's potential.

[aurum]

11 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

I see where you are coming from. It`s weird to frame it as evolution as opposed to change.

But as GOD, you are always correct so I`ll let you pass

I say evolution because within this experience, there is a directionality to the change.

It's not pure randomness.

Edited June 9 by aurum

[Wilhelm44]

6 minutes ago, aurum said:

I have no problem with nature. It's lovely.

I'm just not closed to possibilities around evolution. And you are.

You're okay with evolution, but not if "real forests" get replaced by "artificial forests". 

All nature does is replace things with other things.

As humans, you'd have to look at things on a case by case basis, to judge what should or shouldn't be replaced.

This is already happening.

You see human arrogance, I see humanity's potential.

You still havent answered my original question. Why would you want to replace anything in nature with your own creation ? Especially since you dont have a problem with nature and you say it's lovely ?

Edited June 9 by Wilhelm44

[Eskilon]

8 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

So when im being a devil i get a free pass because im still God, I dont think so.

Yes, God doesn`t judge you if you are being a devil.

God is LOVE, it can`t judge things. Everything is right from a certain point of view -- No matter how deluded it is.

Even the notion of delusion it`s a perspective from a certain pov, it assumes infinite things for it to be "Right".

Edited June 9 by Eskilon

[Wilhelm44]

3 minutes ago, Eskilon said:

Yes, god doesn`t judge you if you are being a devil.

God is LOVE, it can`t judge things. Everything is right from a certain point of view -- No matter how deluded it is.

If the notion of delusion it`s a view from a certain pov, it assumes infinite things for it to be "Right".

But there are consequences on this level of existence. For example, interfere with nature too much and see what happens.

[Eskilon]

10 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

But there are consequences on this level of existence. For example, interfere with nature too much and see what happens.

For sure, this frame we call Life it's dynamic and fluid -- it is not a dead static thing.

We are learning how to balance human ambition to nature's wellbeing.

The ideal future in my view it's solarpunk -- a future where technology and nature are in balance and harmony. But the question is, is humanity view the same? Only time will tell.

Edited June 9 by Eskilon

[aurum]

5 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

You still havent answered my original question. Why would you want to replace anything in nature with your own creation ? Especially since you dont have a problem with nature and you say it's lovely ?

Why do humans replace anything with anything?

Because it could be better.

[Wilhelm44]

3 minutes ago, aurum said:

Why do humans replace anything with anything?

Because it could be better.

Which part of nature is not good enough for you ?  How would you improve a tree or a flower or a bird or a mountain or the ocean ?

[aurum]

Just now, Wilhelm44 said:

Which part of nature is not good enough for you ?  How would you improve a tree or a flower or a bird or a mountain or the ocean ?

Well, that's for geoengineers to figure out.

I'm not an engineer.

[Wilhelm44]

Just now, aurum said:

Well, that's for geoengineers to figure out.

I'm not an engineer.

I asked you, which part of nature is not to your liking ?

[aurum]

4 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I asked you

And I answered.

[Wilhelm44]

7 minutes ago, aurum said:

And I answered.

Your answers are very evasive. It's a simple question, forget about the engineers, how would you personally like nature to be 'better' ? Just give one example of something that you would like to see 'improved' in nature ?

Edited June 9 by Wilhelm44

[Wilhelm44]

@aurum  I have no problem with geo engineering helping us out in a crisis. But when I hear talk of thinking that we can 'improve' nature somehow, I hear ego, not God per say. Nature was created from another level of intelligence, we won't be able to out create that.

Edited June 9 by Wilhelm44

[aurum]

26 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

But when I hear talk of thinking that we can 'improve' nature somehow, I hear ego, not God per say. Nature was created from another level of intelligence, we won't be able to out create that.

I know.

That's what I'm trying to beat out of your head 

[Wilhelm44]

17 minutes ago, aurum said:

I know.

That's what I'm trying to beat out of your head 

Good luck with that, How do you expect even our best geo engineers to be creating from a higher level of intelligence than the level of intelligence that created nature in the first place ? 

[Wilhelm44]

@aurum  When creating nature, do you think God was half assing it ?