Epistemic fallacy: "False Word Realism"

[Anton Rogachevski]

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

So "where" is it?

The brain learns to automatically layer language on top of experience so well that it seems like it's a part of the thing. If we go back to our other discussion we can see why: language is also made from experience! just like everything within experience.

 

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

It might be the case that what people experienced as emotions centuries ago was not quite the same as what we experience and call emotions today.

Yep it's funny how we automatically assume we all talk about the same thing when we say "love", but there are as many definitions for it as there are people.

2 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

Without language, a movement is just a movement. Sound is just sound.

It's a process of deep learning. The first primate kept pointing at a thing, and said "uga buga" multiple times, and eventually the brain of the other primate understood finally that "uga buga" means the thing pointed at - or at least I presume as it's hard to tell really.

Edited June 3 by Anton Rogachevski

[Oppositionless]

14 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

Do you have access to reality? How do you know that? I think that only the mind's imagination can be infinite, and that has nothing to do with actual physical space.

What's the distinction between an potentiality and an actuality? If all is imagined, then I don't see any real distinction at all.

[Anton Rogachevski]

1 hour ago, Oppositionless said:

What's the distinction between an potentiality and an actuality? If all is imagined, then I don't see any real distinction at all.

Physics are important to phisicists, so I leave it to them. I look deeper into phenomenology because that I have true access to and that's the most important thing for an experiencing being.

[Oppositionless]

21 hours ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

Physics are important to phisicists, so I leave it to them. I look deeper into phenomenology because that I have true access to and that's the most important thing for an experiencing being.

I think you're right that just because we have a word for something doesn't mean it exists in this world, I'm just suggesting that for reality to be infinite that there is a world where anything than can be imagined exists. Otherwise it wouldn't be infinite .

[Anton Rogachevski]

51 minutes ago, Oppositionless said:

I'm just suggesting that for reality to be infinite that there is a world where anything than can be imagined exists. Otherwise it wouldn't be infinite .

Do you know with a 100% certainly that this is the case? Where is this world? From what authority do you purpose these claims? Do you understand how extravagant your claims are? You talk as if you know actual Truth. Is it the case?

[UnbornTao]

On 6/3/2025 at 3:14 PM, Anton Rogachevski said:

Yep it's funny how we automatically assume we all talk about the same thing when we say "love", but there are as many definitions for it as there are people.

Not only the definition but the way it is experienced. 

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It's a process of deep learning. The first primate kept pointing at a thing, and said "uga buga" multiple times, and eventually the brain of the other primate understood finally that "uga buga" means the thing pointed at - or at least I presume as it's hard to tell really.

I think this overlooks the invention itself. What has to happen in one's experience, for something to be created out of nothing? 

"Some one was drawing water and my teacher placed my hand under the spout. As the cool stream gushed over one hand she spelled into the other the word water, first slowly, then rapidly. I stood still, my whole attention fixed upon the motions of her fingers. Suddenly I felt a misty consciousness as of something forgotten–a thrill of returning thought; and somehow the mystery of language was revealed to me. I knew then that "w-a-t-e-r" meant the wonderful cool something that was flowing over my hand. That living word awakened my soul, gave it light, hope, joy, set it free!"

- Helen Keller.

Edited June 5 by UnbornTao

[Anton Rogachevski]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Some one was drawing water and my teacher placed my hand under the spout. As the cool stream gushed over one hand she spelled into the other the word water, first slowly, then rapidly. I stood still, my whole attention fixed upon the motions of her fingers. Suddenly I felt a misty consciousness as of something forgotten–a thrill of returning thought; and somehow the mystery of language was revealed to me. I knew then that "w-a-t-e-r" meant the wonderful cool something that was flowing over my hand. That living word awakened my soul, gave it light, hope, joy, set it free!"

- Helen Keller.

Beautiful! 

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, Anton Rogachevski said:

Beautiful! 

She created language as a context in her experience.