Your Last Incarnation

[Breakingthewall]

59 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

What I saw was myself—not as a human being—but as millions of energy centers. I could focus in on any one of them. Each energy center was a part of me

Very possible 

59 minutes ago, Water by the River said:

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Water by the River said:

And what does this evaluating/life-reviewing/new-life structuring? Something like "cosmic" AIs/Intelligences. We already have AIs, so of course Reality holds incredible powerful AIs and/or higher Beings/Intelligences.

Sure, any evolution has already occurred up to its upper limit and has been diluted with reality countless times. Manifest reality is living intelligence, and it's quite logical to assume that the ramifications of each specific expression are infinite

1 hour ago, Water by the River said:

And who is maybe also playing completely different games than the soul/reincarnation game? "What" is "that" Reality which can not not be here?

Just the unlimited, the nature of everything. 

 

1 hour ago, Water by the River said:

The trains are on time. But I still prefer my teutonic hometurf

You didn't fall in love with the obsessive Chinese behavior 😂

[jimwell]

On 5/25/2025 at 6:42 PM, Water by the River said:

Here are first-hand-experience reports of a life of OBEs:

https://www.youtube.com/@jurgenziewe9125/search?query=reincarnation

Thanks for the response and the resources you have provided.

I'm studying Jurgen Ziewe’s work. I have already watched a few of his videos. He believes in a soul that doesn’t die but instead transitions to different astral domains. He views this process as a form of reincarnation, in which the way we live our present life affects our next life. Also, his spiritual insights and OBEs match NDE stories. But I need to learn more about his spiritual insights and about Buddhism itself. I'll scan through the resources you provided.

[jimwell]

On 5/25/2025 at 6:42 PM, Water by the River said:

This "taking the last incarnation" sounds a bit like the "escapism" of early Buddhism/Hinayana/Theravada and so on. Why should an experienced/old soul not be able to handle an incarnation even in a physical realm more or less gracefully, without feeling too much out-of-place (been there, done that before), and hence try such an adventure once more? Maybe even be a bit helpful for its fellow incarnated adventurer-heroes?

I have consumed all the resources you provided. I have mixed feelings. I see truth in what you said above. A highly spiritual but well-integrated soul should be able to immerse itself in a world that embodies both divine form and divine formlessness.

But simultaneously, I also feel that there is truth in the last incarnation video. If a soul has reached the highest level of spiritual accomplishment on Earth, then it's sensible that Earth might seem too boring and lowly. Consequently, the soul should feel out of place in this world.

I resonate with both ideas. I'm not interested in human affairs or in humans in general. I feel as though I'm an alien. But I also love some human accomplishments such as laptops, the internet, AI, etc. I love walking and running on concrete roads with grasses and trees on each side, enjoying my solitude. I love enjoying beautiful girls and experiencing the 4 seasons, especially autumn. But I also love trading currencies, considered low-consciousness by many spirituality enthusiasts. I'm not interested in business in general, but I really feel excited to start a business involving a modern 2-story cafe, secluded in romantic natural scenery. The cafe is a mixture of modern and ancient styles - a concrete building but with surrounding balconies on the 2nd floor, resembling a Japanese castle. It feels very good imagining myself just hanging out on the balcony drinking coffee and eating cookies while watching the nearby spring or autumn trees on the horizon. This is divine beauty and spirituality. From time to time, I feel I'm a mystery to myself.

I asked for Deepseek's analysis of what I just wrote. The analysis is impressive but its thought process is even more impressive.

[Water by the River]

10 hours ago, jimwell said:

On 25.5.2025 at 0:42 PM, Water by the River said:

This "taking the last incarnation" sounds a bit like the "escapism" of early Buddhism/Hinayana/Theravada and so on. Why should an experienced/old soul not be able to handle an incarnation even in a physical realm more or less gracefully, without feeling too much out-of-place (been there, done that before), and hence try such an adventure once more? Maybe even be a bit helpful for its fellow incarnated adventurer-heroes?

I have consumed all the resources you provided. I have mixed feelings. I see truth in what you said above. A highly spiritual but well-integrated soul should be able to immerse itself in a world that embodies both divine form and divine formlessness.

But simultaneously, I also feel that there is truth in the last incarnation video. If a soul has reached the highest level of spiritual accomplishment on Earth, then it's sensible that Earth might seem too boring and lowly. Consequently, the soul should feel out of place in this world.

I resonate with both ideas. I'm not interested in human affairs or in humans in general. I feel as though I'm an alien. But I also love some human accomplishments such as laptops, the internet, AI, etc. I love walking and running on concrete roads with grasses and trees on each side, enjoying my solitude. I love enjoying beautiful girls and experiencing the 4 seasons, especially autumn. But I also love trading currencies, considered low-consciousness by many spirituality enthusiasts. I'm not interested in business in general, but I really feel excited to start a business involving a modern 2-story cafe, secluded in romantic natural scenery. The cafe is a mixture of modern and ancient styles - a concrete building but with surrounding balconies on the 2nd floor, resembling a Japanese castle. It feels very good imagining myself just hanging out on the balcony drinking coffee and eating cookies while watching the nearby spring or autumn trees on the horizon. This is divine beauty and spirituality. From time to time, I feel I'm a mystery to myself.

I asked for Deepseek's analysis of what I just wrote. The analysis is impressive but its thought process is even more impressive.

 

"And I realized that this being appeared very briefly and said, “you know, the challenge with humanity is not that you’re too incarnated, it’s that you’re not incarnated enough.” And that was such an interesting and provocative statement that I thought, “okay, what exactly does that mean?”"

https://batgap.com/david-spangler-transcript/

The quote is from the book Apprenticed by Spirit, David Spangler.

Integration/Balance/healthy exchange on all levels of being = Joy and health, and full incarnation (with the potentials of the higher realms also incarnated). Or suffering and escapism, state chasing, and so on.

Ken Wilbers take on that: Wake up, grow up, clean up, show up. A synonym for trying to live a happy and joyful, with integration on as many levels of being as possible.

A physical universe  with near 100% congruent physical/chemical/biological/mental/psychological rules/cause effect (aka little to no magic) is one of the playgrounds of Spirit. Subtle Realms with a near immortal subtle body and no need to bring food on the table.... maybe your soul considered that a bit boring previously? 

 

[Breakingthewall]

6 hours ago, Water by the River said:

The quote is from the book Apprenticed by Spirit, David Spangler

Spangler seems like a contribution to sanity between Advaita and Buddhist spiritual escapism, which is mostly evasion to avoid facing life's challenges. It's something similar to the self-help of your compatriot Tolle, which sends a message that human suffering is a kind of mistake that can be eliminated in one fell swoop by focusing on the present, as zebras do. Maybe he didn't realize that the human suffering is happening now and it's a manifestation of the reality as real than the zebras hunger 

Edited May 29 by Breakingthewall

[jimwell]

On 5/29/2025 at 9:27 PM, Breakingthewall said:

Spangler seems like a contribution to sanity between Advaita and Buddhist spiritual escapism, which is mostly evasion to avoid facing life's challenges.

Spirituality alone can't rectify human problems because being human automatically means having a human mind and body, which should be nourished and rejuvenated via "human" ways. But spirituality helps.

 

On 5/29/2025 at 9:27 PM, Breakingthewall said:

It's something similar to the self-help of your compatriot Tolle, which sends a message that human suffering is a kind of mistake that can be eliminated in one fell swoop by focusing on the present, as zebras do. Maybe he didn't realize that the human suffering is happening now and it's a manifestation of the reality as real than the zebras hunger 

I agree. The idea that "now" eliminates all suffering and problems is inaccurate and naive.