The Illusion of No Self: The Ego’s Favorite Escape Route.

[Salvijus]

@VeganAwake you have a strong intellectual convinction that there is no person inside yet everything you do is in service to that person. So you're a hypocrite. It's like you're trying to prove that ghosts don't exist while wearing a thousand amulets for protection against ghosts. Your behavior exposes what you truly believe at the depth of the mind. That's what ExploringReality tried to say earlier but it probably flew over your head. Intellectual understanding that the person is an illusion is not enough. It has to be a brakethrough in conciousness where the perception of a seperate me is completely undone and your sense of self expands to infinity. Without this experience, all this nonduality talk is just self gaslighting.

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[VeganAwake]

@Salvijus

That experience of the sense of self expanding to infinity was just spiritual ego bud......nothing more!

That's exactly why you behave as you do!

Spiritual Ego or Higher Self is an even more difficult illusion because it now uses false or misunderstood experience to back up its illusory existence. 

That phenomenon was recognized here clearly and early on thankfully!

Good luck though with imaginary breakthroughs 😆 

❤️ 

Edited May 6 by VeganAwake

[Princess Arabia]

4 hours ago, Salvijus said:

@VeganAwake you have a strong intellectual convinction that there is no person inside yet everything you do is in service to that person. So you're a hypocrite. It's like you're trying to prove that ghosts don't exist while wearing a thousand amulets for protection against ghosts. Your behavior exposes what you truly believe at the depth of the mind. That's what ExploringReality tried to say earlier but it probably flew over your head. Intellectual understanding that the person is an illusion is not enough. It has to be a brakethrough in conciousness where the perception of a seperate me is completely undone and your sense of self expands to infinity. Without this experience, all this nonduality talk is just self gaslighting.

You just don't understand what it means when it's said there's no one. "Yet everything you do is in service to that person" THERE'S NO ONE DOING THAT. "Your behavior exposes what you truly believe", is a misnomer. It is not a belief. There's no one there to "do" a no one. You want the no one to start acting like a no one. Lol Matter of fact, I'll go start a thread about this, I just might. Doesn't really matter either way.

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

Good luck though with your imaginary breakthroughs

Lol

[Princess Arabia]

4 hours ago, Salvijus said:

It has to be a brakethrough in conciousness where the perception of a seperate me is completely undone and your sense of self expands to infinity.

If there's no separate me to begin with how can it dissolve. There is no separate me perception. That would mean there's a real me perceiving the false me, that's duality. It really doesn't matter because there's already no one over there anyway. It's just talking happening. The thing is you're want for someone to be there in that body to perform and be a no me and to do some expanding into what already is the case. Where is this Infinity at that I'm supposed to expand in/to. 

[Salvijus]

20 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

That experience of the sense of self expanding to infinity was just spiritual ego bud......nothing more!

You are everything. That's not spiritual ego. That's the truth of what you are. If that is not your experience, then your mind is still under the spell of illusion of seperation. And no amount of nonduality talk is going to change that. Only a shift in perception can change that. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

You are everything. That's not spiritual ego. That's the truth of what you are. If that is not your experience, then your mind is still under the spell of illusion of seperation. And no amount of nonduality talk is going to change that. Only a shift in perception can change that. 

Can I challenge you on this. Are you up for it. Respectfully.

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

Can I challenge you on this. Are you up for it. Respectfully.

I'm listening. 

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Salvijus said:

I'm listening. 

How can one experience oneness, no separation. There has to be a perceived two for experience to happen, no.

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[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

How can one experience oneness, no separation. There has to be a perceived two for experience to happen, no.

One Self has many parts. All the parts are one. 

Idk, if that answered the question. 

[Princess Arabia]

6 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

You are everything.

There is only what is. Call it everything if you like. There's no you that's everything. There is just everything. Where/What is the you and where/What is the everything.

 

8 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

. If that is not your experience, then your mind is still under the spell of illusion of seperation.

How can it be a spell if that's all the mind can do. It's incapable of seeing anything other that past or future. It cannot be in the present. A "shift in perception" implies time and space for that to occur, yet you say under the illusion of separation. You want there to be a shift in perception, yet you say there's no separation. How can a shift really happen where there is already no separation.

[Princess Arabia]

12 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

One Self has many parts. All the parts are one. 

Idk, if that answered the question. 

ok, so there's no problem then and no shift need occur since it's all one. 

[Salvijus]

15 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

How can a shift really happen where there is already no separation

There is an illusion of seperation. A false perception of reality. This perception can be corrected, it's called an illumined mind. That's when your experience shifts from being just a person to being everything. Not as a philosophy but as a living reality. A samadhi. 

15 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

There is only what is. Call it everything if you like. There's no you that's everything. There is just everything. Where/What is the you and where/What is the everything

You are everything. Everything is you. You exist. 

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[Salvijus]

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

ok, so there's no problem then and no shift need occur since it's all one. 

A perception of seperation still needs to shift to realize oneness experiencially. Intellectual understanding of oneness is not enough. 

[Salvijus]

Stare at this photo until you get a shift in perception. A tiny demo of what's it's like to go from a small ego to infinite conciousness. 

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[Princess Arabia]

8 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

There is an illusion of seperation. A false perception of reality. This perception can be corrected, it's called an illumined mind. That's when your experience shifts from being just a person to being everything. Not as a philosophy but as a living reality. A samadhi. 

You are everything. Everything is you. You exist. 

Ok thanks for obliging in the challenge, respectfully. I still didn't see what you've said to be the case and so i didn't have a change in perception. To me, an illusion is not a false perception. Not the same thing.  Also an already existing perception cannot be corrected, it was already the case, only a new perception can happen. Not sure what an illumed mind is and "my experience" is duality, "my" and "experience", that's two in what you say is no separation and also having this person's perspective shifts to being everything is suggesting that everything doesn't include the person thinking its separate. If youre saying the person just needs to realize it is not separate where and how can a realization take place in no separation. A realization requires space between. 

[Princess Arabia]

20 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

You are everything. Everything is you

That's like saying to someone, you are everything except the you. 

[Princess Arabia]

10 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Stare at this photo until you get a shift in perception. A tiny demo of what's it's like to go from a small ego to infinite conciousness. 

Didn't do the challenge yet, but I will, just would like to say that effects do occur. Yes, and they are marvelous and wonderful to look at be perceived. Doesn't make them real and not empty and void of substance that really matters to what is.

[VeganAwake]

During that euphoric expansion experience, the ego/sense of self seemingly collapses back into everything temporarily. 

It feels like an expansion of consciousness or a merging of infinity.  

But then what happens is the ego/sense of self, regathers, sneaks in the backdoor and claims said experience as its own!

It could actually be described as the harsher form of ego backlash.  

The birth of the spiritual ego or higher self is here ladies and gentlemen....yay!

And this version of ego knows everything about everything lol. 

❤️ 

[Salvijus]

37 minutes ago, VeganAwake said:

But then what happens is the ego/sense of self, regathers, sneaks in the backdoor and claims said experience as its own!

That could happen, yes. But the experience of infinity is still a valid one regardless. That is the true taste of nonduality. Simply telling yourself that there is no you without an experience is absurd. Only a shift in perception matters. Without the shift in perception, intellectually you might be correct, but existencially you're still in illusion. Intellectual understanding is not enough. 

Edited May 6 by Salvijus