Duality is so obvious

[Breakingthewall]

12 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

Beautifully written as usual 

Would you say that the sense of self can be intact as a structure/form, yet it’s simultaneously seen through as not absolutely real, so one is abiding in the “substance”, the limitless, and seeing from the absolute perspective while sense of self is still intact? So it’s like everything is the same but it’s just “seen through” ? Or sense of self has to dissolve as a structure  to be able to  see the absolute?

 

It's not that it's unreal, it's irrelevant. Why saying that something that exists isn't real? It doesn't make sense. It's like having a headache and telling yourself it's not real... well, so what? It still hurts.

Let’s say the substance of reality is the absence of limits, so the substance that constitutes the structure of what you are now, which is extremely complex and rich, is that. Imagine if it were stone. you’d say, okay, but what’s interesting is the form. Without form, stone is just shit. I don't want to be formless stone. I want to be Michelangelo's David, not a lump of stone.

But if you completely break the limits, you see that the substance is total being.  it is everything. A single molecule of stone contains infinite Davids and infinite everything. It is what you are.

And the form of Michelangelo’s David is misery in comparison , it's like comparing a Ferrari to a galaxy. Sure, the Ferrari looks magnificent, but when you compare it to a galaxy with millions of supermassive black holes and billions of supernovas, it’s fucking shit, a joke. Nothing. It's not a good example because the galaxy is also form, but just to make an example 

Form then becomes so irrelevant that it turns transparent, because the substance shines with absolute light. You are that. You’ve always been that. It’s indescribable. It’s total. Nothing can be more. "More" doesn’t even exist as a possibility.

Then form traps you again, and so it must be. Form is magnificent as form because its substance is the total. It’s what creates the infinite kaleidoscope of reality, and it’s in harmonic motion. It must be tuned, it must flow perfectly clean, expanded. The more the substance is perceived, the more the form is appreciated, because the form is the substance in a particular configuration. It can be any configuration ,if its substance is perceived, it is perfect.

Again, you could say: but perception is illusion, who is perceiving? It's irrelevant, perception is happening, then it is. The unlimited could be perceived or not, it is with or without perception, then in some moment it would be perceived, then perception is an absolute, like form.  

Edited April 30 by Breakingthewall

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

It's not that it's unreal, it's irrelevant. Why saying that something that exists isn't real? It doesn't make sense. It's like having a headache and telling yourself it's not real... well, so what? It still hurts.

Let’s say the substance of reality is the absence of limits, so the substance that constitutes the structure of what you are now, which is extremely complex and rich, is that. Imagine if it were stone. you’d say, okay, but what’s interesting is the form. Without form, stone is just shit. I don't want to be formless stone. I want to be Michelangelo's David, not a lump of stone.

But if you completely break the limits, you see that the substance is total being.  it is everything. A single molecule of stone contains infinite Davids and infinite everything. It is what you are.

And the form of Michelangelo’s David is misery in comparison , it's like comparing a Ferrari to a galaxy. Sure, the Ferrari looks magnificent, but when you compare it to a galaxy with millions of supermassive black holes and billions of supernovas, it’s fucking shit, a joke. Nothing. It's not a good example because the galaxy is also form, but just to make an example 

Form then becomes so irrelevant that it turns transparent, because the substance shines with absolute light. You are that. You’ve always been that. It’s indescribable. It’s total. Nothing can be more. "More" doesn’t even exist as a possibility.

Then form traps you again, and so it must be. Form is magnificent as form because its substance is the total. It’s what creates the infinite kaleidoscope of reality, and it’s in harmonic motion. It must be tuned, it must flow perfectly clean, expanded. The more the substance is perceived, the more the form is appreciated, because the form is the substance in a particular configuration. It can be any configuration ,if its substance is perceived, it is perfect.

Again, you could say: but perception is illusion, who is perceiving? It's irrelevant, perception is happening, then it is. The unlimited could be perceived or not, it is with or without perception, then in some moment it would be perceived, then perception is an absolute, like form.  

I have the power to choose between the changeful and the changeless, the fine and the sublime. Let me think, to see if my ego has any objections.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

I have the power to choose between the changeful and the changeless, the fine and the sublime. Let me think, to see if my ego has any objections.

Everyone has the possibility to perceive the infinite nature of reality through form, but the structures created by evolution to get here prioritize another vision, since this has been the most effective formula. This is what we call infinite intelligence. Of the infinite possibilities, this is precisely what has come to be given certain circumstances, which in turn have infinite ramifications. There are infinite forms of the same reality, which divides infinitely but really remains indivisible.

[gettoefl]

52 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Everyone has the possibility to perceive the infinite nature of reality through form, but the structures created by evolution to get here prioritize another vision, since this has been the most effective formula. This is what we call infinite intelligence. Of the infinite possibilities, this is precisely what has come to be given certain circumstances, which in turn have infinite ramifications. There are infinite forms of the same reality, which divides infinitely but really remains indivisible.

Yes in order to have as long as incarnation as possible. Longer is better since every moment is another opportunity to behold the reality. It is slow going but it is an inevitable progression. Everyone gets it and help is everywhere.

[Sugarcoat]

11 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

 

It's not that it's unreal, it's irrelevant. Why saying that something that exists isn't real? It doesn't make sense. It's like having a headache and telling yourself it's not real... well, so what? It still hurts.

Let’s say the substance of reality is the absence of limits, so the substance that constitutes the structure of what you are now, which is extremely complex and rich, is that. Imagine if it were stone. you’d say, okay, but what’s interesting is the form. Without form, stone is just shit. I don't want to be formless stone. I want to be Michelangelo's David, not a lump of stone.

 

 

 

If everything is absence of limits then it means precisely the separate self isn’t real. I’m not talking about simply telling yourself it’s not real, I know that will not make any difference, but just pointing it out. It seems absolutely real to me, that im aware of.

12 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

But if you completely break the limits, you see that the substance is total being.  it is everything. A single molecule of stone contains infinite Davids and infinite everything. It is what you are.

And the form of Michelangelo’s David is misery in comparison , it's like comparing a Ferrari to a galaxy. Sure, the Ferrari looks magnificent, but when you compare it to a galaxy with millions of supermassive black holes and billions of supernovas, it’s fucking shit, a joke. Nothing. It's not a good example because the galaxy is also form, but just to make an example 

Form then becomes so irrelevant that it turns transparent, because the substance shines with absolute light. You are that. You’ve always been that. It’s indescribable. It’s total. Nothing can be more. "More" doesn’t even exist as a possibility.

Then form traps you again, and so it must be. Form is magnificent as form because its substance is the total. It’s what creates the infinite kaleidoscope of reality, and it’s in harmonic motion. It must be tuned, it must flow perfectly clean, expanded. The more the substance is perceived, the more the form is appreciated, because the form is the substance in a particular configuration. It can be any configuration ,if its substance is perceived, it is perfect.

Again, you could say: but perception is illusion, who is perceiving? It's irrelevant, perception is happening, then it is. The unlimited could be perceived or not, it is with or without perception, then in some moment it would be perceived, then perception is an absolute, like form.  

Breaking the limits means breaking the structure/form/appearance of self. That sounds absolutely amazing.

But isn’t it impossible to perceive unlimited ness? Because a limited perceiver cant see unlimited ness?

I know all of this is still on mental level for me. But I like to think about these things so it’s fine.

[gettoefl]

10 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

If everything is absence of limits then it means precisely the separate self isn’t real. I’m not talking about simply telling yourself it’s not real, I know that will not make any difference, but just pointing it out. It seems absolutely real to me, that im aware of.

Breaking the limits means breaking the structure/form/appearance of self. That sounds absolutely amazing.

But isn’t it impossible to perceive unlimited ness? Because a limited perceiver cant see unlimited ness?

I know all of this is still on mental level for me. But I like to think about these things so it’s fine.

This limited perceiver is a figment of your imagination. You want to be this right now. You don't even think you have a choice and even if you believe you do, what to even do about it since you believe you're limited?

It's like going to work as your boss. Let's say he's in hospital for a day and you step forward and do his job. You know how to do it and you carry it off without a hitch. Everyone is really impressed you were so competent. You go home and you say, that wasn't me. I really don't want something I wasn't picked for. I have a much different role to play in life. I am going to be my true self from now on.

Pointers are provided for how to realize this.

[Sugarcoat]

3 hours ago, gettoefl said:

This limited perceiver is a figment of your imagination. You want to be this right now. You don't even think you have a choice and even if you believe you do, what to even do about it since you believe you're limited?

It's like going to work as your boss. Let's say he's in hospital for a day and you step forward and do his job. You know how to do it and you carry it off without a hitch. Everyone is really impressed you were so competent. You go home and you say, that wasn't me. I really don't want something I wasn't picked for. I have a much different role to play in life. I am going to be my true self from now on.

Pointers are provided for how to realize this.

The true realization is the hard part..

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Sugarcoat said:

The true realization is the hard part..

... is every ego's favorite mantra.