Misinterpretations of Spiral Dynamics

[Carl-Richard]

39 minutes ago, LordFall said:

@Carl-Richard why don’t you think it has a conceptual basis? Sounds to me like plenty of enlightened teachers fit the general description. 

Q.E.D.

Because conceptually (or at least a very common intepretation), it's an ill-conceived mixture of late Green and early Yellow ideas and non-dual/New Age mysticism. And similarly, this mixture (I believe) is reflected in its empirical foundation, because in the West (which all the people that Turquoise was based on were from), you tend to discover non-dual mysticism at around Green, because that is when you become more open to other perspectives than the standard line of (then) contemporary society, other cultures, and henceforth other cultures where mysticism has not been repressed for millennia (virtually exclusively those who harbor buddhism and hinduism). And for those intepretations that try to consequentially deny it having to do with mysticism, they seem not distinct enough from Yellow to warrant a distinct stage (e.g. "global view").

Edited April 20 by Carl-Richard

[LordFall]

@Carl-Richard Can you define what mysticism means to you? In my experience people I’ve met around green have maybe 5% of turquoise energy and little yellow, they don’t understand how the system works they’re just hurt by it and react very emotionally against it. I would say even a lot of people on this forum don’t really embody turquoise like I would see it and don’t understand the cause and effect of the world. 

I don’t think a turquoise thinker would react very negatively to Donald trump for example. 
 

60-80s era state geeen induced by LSD sounds like it could’ve be been different but I haven’t read any thinkers from that time. Steve jobs as a yellow-orange innovator coming out of that era makes sense. 

[Carl-Richard]

21 hours ago, LordFall said:

@Carl-Richard Can you define what mysticism means to you?

 

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mysticism

/ˈmɪstɪsɪz(ə)m/

noun

1.

belief that union with or absorption into the Deity or the absolute, or the spiritual apprehension of knowledge inaccessible to the intellect, may be attained through contemplation and self-surrender.

https://www.google.com/

In other words, trying to experience (directly) God, Consciousness, Non-duality, Oneness, Unity, Love.

 

21 hours ago, LordFall said:

In my experience people I’ve met around green have maybe 5% of turquoise energy and little yellow, they don’t understand how the system works they’re just hurt by it and react very emotionally against it. I would say even a lot of people on this forum don’t really embody turquoise like I would see it and don’t understand the cause and effect of the world. 

I don’t think a turquoise thinker would react very negatively to Donald trump for example. 

Mysticism, non-reactivity, ego transcendence, has existed for millennia, since Hinduism and before that. Meanwhile, Turquoise is a stage that supposedly evolved only a couple of decades ago. How do we square that?

 

21 hours ago, LordFall said:

60-80s era state geeen induced by LSD sounds like it could’ve be been different but I haven’t read any thinkers from that time. Steve jobs as a yellow-orange innovator coming out of that era makes sense. 

The 60s LSD hippie era is a perfect example of what I'm talking about, because despite being introduced to mysticism both culturally and supposedly experientially through psychedelic states, they had a (painfully) Green approach to addressing social problems, not Yellow, not Turquoise which is supposed to transcend and include Yellow. The Tim Learys and the Ram Dasses of that era weren't saying "how can we work with the elites, how can we make the elites understand the masses and the masses understand the elites?" but rather "how can we topple the establishment, how can we spread this message of non-conformance, of 'questioning authority', of 'turning on, tuning in, dropping out'", etc.

Edited April 21 by Carl-Richard

[Carl-Richard]

@LordFall

 

Edited April 21 by Carl-Richard