How do red states in the US make any real progress if they keep staying conservative?

[Romanov]

Just now, Hardkill said:

Tell that to FDR and Obama.

I honestly see why Obama won-because the conservatives that were up against him at the time were a bunch of spineless neocons. Traditional conservatives were overshadowed by the warmongering neocons who were all about bailing out big business and not so much about being populist. Trump on the other hand, is a different breed from Bush, McCain, and Cheney. He has been what conservatives needed for the longest. 

[Hardkill]

1 hour ago, Romanov said:

I honestly see why Obama won-because the conservatives that were up against him at the time were a bunch of spineless neocons. Traditional conservatives were overshadowed by the warmongering neocons who were all about bailing out big business and not so much about being populist. Trump on the other hand, is a different breed from Bush, McCain, and Cheney. He has been what conservatives needed for the longest. 

Obama was kind of spineless. He was a great president, but not a true liberal/progressive warrior like TR, Wilson, FDR, Truman, and LBJ were.

Obama didn’t have enough guts to be a partisan advocate and party builder for his party.

[Jacob Morres]

 

3 hours ago, Romanov said:

Traditional conservatives were overshadowed by the warmongering neocons who were all about bailing out big business and not so much about being populist.

how is trump populist? he's big on tax cuts for the wealthy, supports corporate, is anti-union, doesn't care about social programs (repeals them too) or social issues

Edited December 17, 2024 by Jacob Morres

[Romanov]

45 minutes ago, Jacob Morres said:

 

how is trump populist? he's big on tax cuts for the wealthy, supports corporate, is anti-union, doesn't care about social programs (repeals them too) or social issues

Trump wants to cut taxes on Social Security benefits, tips and overtime pay, plus make existing tax law permanent, and increase tariffs for protectionism as well as prevent anymore money from going to illegal immigrants. Populists are also anti-establishment and Trump has been able to demonstrate this by appealing to those who have been persecuted despite being innocent. 

[Hardkill]

22 minutes ago, Romanov said:

Trump wants to cut taxes on Social Security benefits, tips and overtime pay, plus make existing tax law permanent, and increase tariffs for protectionism as well as prevent anymore money from going to illegal immigrants. Populists are also anti-establishment and Trump has been able to demonstrate this by appealing to those who have been persecuted despite being innocent. 

It's all fake populism.

Right-wing populism, which is arguably more detrimental than left-wing populism, still involves welfare chauvinism that benefits the working-class, middle-class, and working poor who are native-born citizens; albeit it excludes all racial and ethnic minorities and primarily yields short-term benefits.

Even Hitler, who was the Devil incarnate, I believe enacted policies that significantly helped out his own citizens in Germany, at least for the short-run.

Yet, Trump hasn't even ever provided any meaningful welfare support or major benefits for white Americans from working-class, middle-class, and low-income backgrounds in our country.

Edited December 18, 2024 by Hardkill

[Jacob Morres]

@Romanov

gotcha. 

he is tricking the public to a good extent though 

>the 2017 Trump tax law:

Was skewed to the rich. Households with incomes in the top 1 percent will receive an average tax cut of more than $60,000 in 2025, compared to an average tax cut of less than $500 for households in the bottom 60 percent, according to the Tax Policy Center (TPC).[1] As a share of after-tax income, tax cuts at the top — for both households in the top 1 percent and the top 5 percent — are more than triple the total value of the tax cuts received for people with incomes in the bottom 60 percent.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/federal-tax/the-2017-trump-tax-law-was-skewed-to-the-rich-expensive-and-failed-to-deliver

bottom 20% received an average of $80 in tax cuts

 

Edited December 18, 2024 by Jacob Morres