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@Joseph Maynor Are there any age restrictions for S.D.-stages?:P I don't think so, Joseph. Sure, especially when we're talking about Stage Yellow the older you are the more lessons and insights you can incorporate and integrate in your general understanding and the more life-experience you have the better you presumably are at connecting all the dots and such, but generally, if yellow-type thinking is the way one thinks about the world and evaluates it, it should be just fine at any age.

@CreamCat Yeah I thought so too, but I was confused at first because when you consider yourself to be at stage green you don't just aspire to certain ideals but you generally believe to already embody them - hence, the process of "getting there" confused me, but now it's all clear again.

@fireworld What exactly do you mean with "geting there"? Apart from that, I have to agree that if the green-minded people you've met so far are acting more impulsively and think in impractical or even illogical ways, that's due to not having embodied healthy orange yet. As I already kinda mentioned it in my first reply, you have to start seeing and applying S.D. in a more broad and nuanced way. To every stage in Tier1, and even yellow to some degree, there is always an unhealthy side and a healthy side that one might have a tendency to, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the stage itself is "bad", regressive or suboptimal in any way. The degree to which you judge, criticise or demonise any other stage that is not your own stage is the degree to which you are paradigm-locked and egoically identified with that particular stage. You have an invested interest in that particular stage being dominant and superior (because you are obviously convinced that it's the right kind of stage and mentality) - which might work for a while but never over the long run since things are constantly changing and adapting. Even your level of success in life that is corrlated to true fulfillment is in a sense dependent on how well and fluently you're able to rise up in the levels of the spiral and adapt yourself to lower levels that you've been in. Success/fulfilment that is achieved only within one single stage of the spiral never lasts long (for oneself).

@fireworld (Un)fortunately you're right when you say that you don't understand S.D. correctly up until this point. Your evaluation of stage green sounds relatively narrow-minded to me because you seem to exclusively focus on the negative aspects of "green" mentality. Yes, what you've described for instance wih the obesity-example can be regarded as a form of green-like thinking but there's still a differentation to be made between the content of what's being said and it's conceptual frame from which it is derived from:) Typical green characteristics and values are indeed more caringly and communally motivated so that everyone is rahter included and accepted than rejected and judged, but nonetheless though, people who value such characteristics can still be deluded, misguided, self-deceived or ignorant of certain facts anyways. S.D. has a lot more to do with values and guidelines that one cherishes and upholds rather than who or what the person really is, i.e. intelligent, smart, funny, blunt, shortsighted, compulsive, impulsive or anything else for that matter.

Do you like to eat spicy nachos with cheese dip or cheesy nachos with spicy dip?

One just has to see S.D. for what it truly is... it's a conceptual model. A very accurate and powerful model indeed, but simply a model nonetheless. If you can seriously reach solid yellow, it's end, and even turquoise, you'll see that when you get there, S.D. will no longer be that relevant or meaningful to you and you will definitely stop searching, longing or looking for "higher stages". Just live life and you'll be fine (at- and even beyond turquoise). I was also searching for higher and higher stages when I first heard about S.D. in Leo's first video about it, but as it turns out that's obviously a totally orange-like mentality, if one likes to describe it that way. "What's the highest stage?" "How can I get to the top?" "I really really really want to be at the top (of the spiral)!" "I don't want to be stuck at lower stages, I always want to ascend further and further!" "I need to constantly grow!" "I know that S.D should not be turned into a competitive race but I'll do it anyway!" "I'm at a stage that's totally above you, how do you like that, huh?!" "Subconsciously I'm so egotistical and so individualistic that I simply can't and couldn't possibly be at any particular stage that anybody else is on!" "Fuck you all, I'm feeling so superior that I'm inventing my own stage, hah!"

I think it must be at least 3 if not almost 4 years ago when I found Actualized.org. I don't remember very clearly but I like to believe that it was the "How to stop Caring what other People Think of You"-video that somehow popped up in the recommendations, even despite the fact that I've never ever searched for topics like that before. At first I was actually kinda reluctant whether or not to click on it because of the length, and I didn't for some days. But it kept coming up and I thought to myself that I could give it a try, why not. Finished it and was awe-struck with the profundity and density of insights, value and quality - a video unlike everything I've seen before. I instantly knew that this was something extremely huge and life-changing and in the days and weeks to come I watched every single video that was available up until that point, regardless whether or not the topic seemed interesting to me or not, because I was just so fascinated and in love with how Leo presented each and every topic and how much effort and care went in to them. And of course the sheer fascination with Leo himself as a human being who was at that time without a doubt the most influential and revolutionary human being I was aware of - and still is to this day. Truly changed my life, and I honestly couldn't imagine who I'd be right now had I not discovered him and Actualized.org.

I also think that strong motivation is achieved through the realisation of the beauty of giving. If you can manage to give away something of value to others, the will give you sooo much more back in return. That can definetely be very very motivating, especially if one already knows directly or indirectly that what he is creating is in fact truly valuable and impactful.

||Due to some interest and demand, I decided to share with you another paragraph of the book that I'm currently writing on that, in this particular excerpt, focuses on success and its correlation to the necessity for self-actualisation. You're more than welcome to let me know what you think and if that which you can read is/was intersting, exciting and/or helpful to you as I'm very very grateful for any feedback, since I haven't received that much as of yet.|| "[...] Art – the celebration of creation and life without any purpose other than itself, executed with focus on nothing at all but the immediate present moment of its expression. Whenever you’re not creating art, what you strive for is success. Success can be whatever you want it to be, but essentially it means overcoming yourself to achieve results that you were previously unable to achieve. Realising and actualising your own potential over and over again is what success comes down to. To stretch the boundaries, beat the odds and see to which places life can take you. Success is change and change is life. Thus, success manifests itself when a certain threshold of stagnation and monotony is reached. There’s always only so much capacity for beating a dead horse even more dead until something has to happen. Therefore, since nothing can remain constant over a long enough time span anyway, success is ultimately unlimited – you’ll never reach its end, but paradoxically you have to go for it nonetheless, or else life will be(come) worthless to you. Success behaves like a slingshot, in the sense that the further you can stretch it in the direction of personal discomfort and boundaries, beyond the point which seems impassable to you, the further it will catapult you into the direction of achieving your goals, generally speaking. Fundamentally, you need nothing else to achieve success other than your own will and your capacity for creating a strong enough vision for yourself. Your vision is going to be your constant motivation, and your will that which keeps you doing whatever it takes to do. Striving for success automatically means failing – a lot sometimes. Learning is essentially experiencing how to not do something in order to get it right. So, if you can’t get things right, apparently you haven’t had enough experience as how to not do something. People who are exceedingly proficient at what they do are often times also able to make it look very easy. What mostly remains unseen though is their entire journey to perfection that they have embarked on long ago, and more often than not it only becomes visible when one tries to do it himself. To become good at something, some effort is required. To become extraordinary at something, a lot of effort is required – but to become a master, it needs to be something that comes naturally to you. This is because if something comes naturally to you, you don’t regard what you’re doing as work or as a straining process of demotivating failing and learning, but it takes on a nature of playfulness and it’s more like a game to you that you can enjoy at any point throughout its course. Therefore, the best work one can do is never done by forcing oneself to do it but by deliberately wanting to do it voluntarily. This is not to be used as an excuse for lacking discipline though! Discipline is still necessary to achieve those things that are necessary and important to you and is best attained through the realisation of the thrill and relevance of self-actualisation. The level to which you can self-actualise your inner potential is the level to which you can be successful (in overcoming yourself further and further in order to achieve your goals and personal vision). True self-actualisation and the striving for success often come together to go hand in hand when the time comes in which you have to execute on your vision and planned actions. To be able to carry out certain actions in life, a correspondingly adequate level of embodiment of self-actualisation is required. A high level of successfully embodied self-actualisation will then allow you to establish and maintain foundations in your life easier and more effortless than ever before."

@fireworld Well, first you'd have to find out what motivates you the most - either it's yourself or other people. If it's yourself then feel free to flat-out self-aggrandise yourself and push your ego by doing egoic things, but if it's the thriving of other people that motivates you, then find something that enables you to do that. To find the perfect marriage of both would certainly be the most ideal goal to shoot for, because in the end, there's obviously no difference at all between "you" and "other people". Creating in and of itself is very motivating and fulfilling, so if you're not creating something, try to push yourself into that direction, I guess.

@fireworld Sure, that's why we have Leo and his LP-course, right?:P But I appreciate the feedback though! This is obviously just a shorter excerpt, so I will surely talk about what you've mentioned somewhere in the book.

UPDATE: "The level to which any particular action is executed based upon one’s own willingness, passion and enthusiasm, is in direct proportion to the quality of its outcome."

@martin_malin "How was there even a spider in there?" "How come it was exactly at that spot [where it was most necessary]?" "At that moment, a carzy idea came to me..." "One cannot predict how nature unfolds" "Nature clearly has a mind of its own" I kid you not, seeing that video is truly fascinating and enlightening... just goes to show how profound everything can be and is and that absolute infinity is always there, right in fron of our eyes.

@Sahil Pandit Yeah, makes total sense and it’s also quite necessary. I feel the same way with strongly leaning yellow but almost having skipped green entirely, so right now I constantly have “to go back” and explore green a lot more - at it makes everything so much richer and sweeter! As for your LP and such, I can relate a lot to what you’ve mentioned, especially to your struggle with the “and then what..?” question. How it seems to me is that you need to focus more and what is right now instead of focusing on what will be in the future, because as you said: you started to see through it - and that’s great! Only problem is is that it brings a certain notion and feeling of worthlessness and meaninglessness with it that one needs to work through at first. I had to face the same some time ago and thus, my focus switched a lot more from myself - to others, as it can be- and is quite fulfilling to me to see others thrive and advance in their personal development. I really don’t care that much anymore about what happens to me, although there’s clearly a certain tendency there, like 30% me, 70% others. But still, that’s largely due to the necessity for a certain degree of orange-ness because you obviously need to get money somehow, so...yeah. But, the world is clearly in a strong phase of transitioning to overall green, so perhaps bringing forth and pushing that silent evolution will also give you some fulfilment back. EDIT: BTW, have you seen/read my latest post in which I have posted some more of my book that I'm writing? You seemed interested in it, so just wanted to point it out to you.

Pretty remarkable how stereotypical eastern wisdom and western technology and science slowly, but surely, converge and at what stage of unity they're already at. Sure, also Dispenza's understanding of non-duality and consciousness might not be absolutely perfect, but it's pretty good if you ask me - he's surely "getting there". However, the most important thing IMO is that he's a good communicator and presenter that succesfully manages to get more and more people on track with mysticism and spirituality in a very healthy way, especially with his apparent healing-abilities that he offers to people and encourages them to find out about them for themselves. ||SKIP TO 6:30 FOR THE SECOND VIDEO||

Just like everything else, what you're going through will pass eventually. I kinda know what you're talking about, even though I don't really know how to help you with it. My advice would be just to watch it and observe what is happening within you. If what you're talking about is what I think it is, then it is a transitional period from egocentrsim to a switched focus on other people around you and their wellbeing, as it's no longer exclusively about you and your immediate gratification but much more about the improvement of the wellbeing of others. In terms of Sp.Dyn.-Stages I'd classify it as a movement from orange to a healthy green. But maybe I could be wrong based on the amount of information that you presented regarding your current situation, but also... maybe not, that's up to you to judge I guess. EDIT: Concerning your question of having and/or seeking fulfilment - obviously as long you seek it, you can't have it, so that's a small paradox in and of itself:)

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@Nahm I've listened to 3-4 longer interviews and presentations that he gave, having discoverd him only today, and it puzzles and amazes me at the same time how he integrates his experiential- and/or conceptual knowledge on spirituality, consciousness and even enlightenment in such subtle ways that you could almost not notice it and overlook it, but it really seems to me as if he's got a lot more to talk about concerning those topics, hidden away in some unassuming little box of his mind. And if not, I'm sure he will integrate a lot more content on those topics in the future into his talks and works as he will hopefully grow and discover more on the spiritual side of things. Thanks for the compliment btw:)

@Nahm Yeah that’s pretty cool right? There’s a definitive revolution ahead for medicine and the general understanding of our mind(s) and bodies. Really exciting!

I know that it's just a week and a half until Leo will most likely post his Stage Yellow video, but still, I'm really interested whether or not some of you might already be able to explain a bit about it, because it seems relatively foreign to me, even though I feel quite familiar with Green and Turquoise alike. So as far as I understand it, it's based rather heavily on conceptualisation and thinking in models and systems, but beyond that it's quite unknown territory to me. What would interest me in particular is how it emerges out of Green and why it is above it as a stage (even though I kinda already know why, I'd just like it to be explained by someone else once more) Also, in which ways does its way of thinking differ that much from Orange? Is it a certain holistic characteristic to it that unifies what Orange couldn't, or is it something entirely else? Thanks in advance for replying and who knows, maybe this thread will also serve Leo to see which misconceptions or misassumptions people might have of Yellow, so that he can address them later in the final episode.

@Brittany Yellow is the end of all judgement if it wants to be effective and efficient in the ways it works because in order to think in a yellow (multi-dimensional) way, you'd consequently need to give up on pointing fingers and egotistically wanting to make a single person/group/cause responsible for a certain problem or issue.