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Enlightenment is about the dissolving of the self and the end of duality (which goes beyond language), and spiral dynamics is a discussion we make in the realm of the relative and so this discussion is inevitably in the realm of the relative. And thats fine. How is it that someone can be very high consciousness but a low stage SD stage? I'm trying to imagine a high consciousness racist person for example. Enlightened people "know" that everything is one and that all their belief structures are illusory, but they will automatically act upon those various belief structures. For example an enlightened person will act upon the belief structure that 2+2=4 in their day to day life. And so perhaps there exists this high consciousness person, who despite knowing all his belief structures are groundless and come from the void, has the default belief structure that black people are inferior and hence acts upon it? So my point is, despite the fact that enlightened people know that their belief structures are groundless at the end of the day, they still have certain beliefs that they automatically act upon. Samadhi isn't going to make you think that it's a good idea to jump in front of a moving car under the pretence that you don't know what will happen once you jump in front of it, neither will it stop you from using logic and aspects of the materialistic paradigm in your day to day life. Your thoughts?
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Shinzen is great as always, very clear. Ive never developed a huge interest for such semantic discussions
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lmfao replied to whoareyou's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
122 replies. Oh shit I need to cosy before reading this ?. -
@Leo Gura I'm sure the videos would be interesting and popular.
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@ValiantSalvatore My immediate interpretation of what you said would be that stages are theoretically defined by value structures in contrast to moral structures. It's hard to put into words what that means but thats fine. I cant tell the difference very well either. Yeah, with enlightenment you're just dropping resistance to your experience. The fact that you've dropped resistance to your experience does not control what your exact existence is. Enlightened or not enlightened, birds will sing, rivers will flow, the sky will be blue, so someone who is stage purple will just simply be purple even after enlightenment (ofc how enlightenment will transform the nature of that existence with time is a separate matter).
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lmfao replied to moon777light's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
In b4 "survival vs non-survival is another duality" -
I guess this is less so the case for heavy forum users here but if anyone here feels like you haven't gotten a direct experience of non-duality and/or for whatever reason regular meditation is not working for you or your too lazy to do it then guided meditation is good. Alan Watts has a very nice guided meditation/contemplation with chanting, meditation and also asking you to do an experiment standing up. There also exists this excellent one by Mooji: And this one by Sadhguru was just really interesting and nice because of how different it was to most meditation I've seen: I've had powerful experiences with all three of these. Guided meditations are good for a bit of cheating to get you into a higher state, need it be said though that meditation with no stimulation is the most pure.
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lmfao replied to MM1988's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@MM1988 God is the negation of all attributes, albeit paradoxically including the attribute I give in this sentence. There is nothing which can be really said. Feel the void that has sprung your present moment experience. Ask yourself, where do all the contents of your consciousness come from? Its impossible to put your finger on it. It is literally nothing. Nothing could be more beautiful. To remove all images of God.....nothing truer could have been suggested from religion. Interestingly enough there exist christian mystics and Islamic mystics who get a whiff of true spirituality. If only christians and muslims went all the way. Here's a book written in the 14th century "The Cloud of Unknowing" https://www.catholicspiritualdirection.org/cloudunknowing.pdf It's only a shame Christianity and Islam are so dogmatic. -
@Western Buddha I'm not sure if I read your post right but she gave you a handjob did she? Yeah I mean I'd probably be scarred if a trans woman gave me a handjob without me knowing she was transgender. I think I can relate. You just have this feeling of being violated isn't? A feeling which is very hard to articulate and describe. That feeling of being dirty and feeling shame? Try conjuring up the negative emotions and thoughts you have on this experience. And then pay very close attention to your physical sensations. Pay attention to the weird, swirly and pulsating emotions in your body. Come to terms with it, become interested with it. Experience it concretely. See why it is irrational to become bothered by this flowing emotion. Many of these deeply negative emotions have a strong physiological/physical experience to them, and its worth exploring them. Exploring the raw emotion of anxiety and fear. It's something I've been trying to do more recently. So long as you don't lose your will to fight, and remain steadfast in your commitment to face your demons it is impossible for you to not become awakened. -------------------------------------------------- In conjunction to what I said above, perhaps you can look at what happened to you in a funny way right? Like if she gave you a handjob and you cummed it must of have been enjoyable LMAO. A trans woman made you ejaculate. I mean it's no big deal. And I don't say this to belittle your response or your feelings. I'm presenting you my perspective. If it was me I'd just laugh and think "lol sexuality and attraction is so fluid", notice how much of whats going on here in terms of attraction and sexuality is a psychological game. Consider the possibility that the sexual experience you have is in of in itself wasn't actually bad at all. For us humans identical sensations felt in different contexts will drastically change out perception and enjoyment of the sensation. The context here are the thought stories you give e.g: The soreness of your legs the day after the gym vs the soreness in your muscles from a virus A child gets slapped. He turns around. In one situation he sees his father laughing, in the other situation he sees his father looking angry. Shudders of fear vs shudders of delight. anxiety vs laughter Tears of joy vs Tears of sorrow The deliverance from suffering comes in seeing through the illusion of contexts and thought stories. Where this consciousness work will lead I dont know. But I am curious, as to what is to happen once one enters the realm of acute extreme suffering. To experience the transforming of all sensations into pure ecstasy and bliss. Now thats something which is interesting.
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Monday 03/06/2019 02:16 Woah its been so long since I did any form of internet journaling. Anyway, I've been feeling a little stressed recently since I don't really now what I want to do in the future at university. I'm about to finish my first year of physics at university, but I haven't been enjoying it as much as I thought I would and I'm instead tempted to just switch to doing a pure maths degree. The worst case scenario in my mind is that the university I am at won't allow me to switch degree within the university, meaning I have to go through lots of effort to change university. During much of this year at uni I've been depressed and almost suicidal a couple of times. I can't fully tell "why" I got so disengaged and unmotivated. I think a part of the problem was that I found much of the lectures boring and pointless to death. The content was often taught in a style I didn't like, teachers telling you what was true rather than why it was true. But for some bizarre reason, I just can't find many people I relate too. I cant find any people on my personality wavelength who also have the same intellectual interests. I thought I'd find someone like me on this course, seems like this is not the case. Course hasn't felt as logically rigorous as I had hoped. In some ways I'm too smart but in some ways I'm too dumb, not a very good combo. It's like getting the worst of both worlds sometimes. Lecturers are un-engaging, not many people I enjoy the company of beyond being a somewhat awkward acquaintance. But I'm leaning towards maths I think, I just enjoy it more. In physics maths is used as a tool and as a means to an end, and so even if a physicist doesn't understand with full accuracy why the math they are using works they will use it anyway. I'm not a big fan of that, I want the information I learn to be a natural consequence of axioms and/or creativity. I've missed so many lecturers and I've done ok in the exams so far. But in a few days I have an exam I know that I'll likely be unprepared for because of how lazy and disengaged I've been. And my mind cant stop being neurotic about it, thinking about the what ifs. I never thought learning something interesting like relativity could feel so blah to me. I'm fan of independent study, but for me to do well in independent studying I have to sort out my own emotional garbage and addictions. And then even after that exam, I have to write an exhausting lab report quickly if I want to pass the year for a course I might just drop out of. Ok, I know rationally that I can worry about the lab report later and even if it becomes a late submission or no submission something will be worked out so I need to get rid of that stressor. But I keep torturing myself about this exam, im just doing my best to be mindful but ahhhh what can you do.
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@Inliytened1 mmmmm yeah. Trying to dodge a small amount of suffering multiplies into a huge amount.
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Unfortunately I don't think there is an easy way out, I'm in the same position as well. For me I feel as though the fundamental problem is emptiness/loneliness/boredom. It feels as though kicking internet addiction would require you go from 0 to 100 on your consciousness scale. The thing is, right now I don't have any time/energy to do things I genuinely enjoy since I'm quite stressed with exams. And consider switching your sources of stimulation. Like instead of wasting your time watching something, try reading something. Gradually changing your sources of stimulation to things which require more willpower and patience might help. I feel like the realisation is slowly starting to seep into my body that sooner or later I have to bite the bullet of suffering. Because on days that im stressed, sleep deprived, exhausted for whatever reason I'll jack off and watch Netflix rather than do something life purpose related.
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Good shit brother
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@Beard Buy some online from India brother, easy shit fam. I found this good website but Jesus Christ was their payment method convoluted, paying in amazon gift cards for them. But they did deliver on the product.
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@EternalForest That really is quite the shame. From my experience, it seems that the only way to thrive in such negative environments is to already be high conciousness and/or have exceptionally low levels of neuroticism in conjunction with having your smarts about you. But if ur like me you're not high conciousness and so ur stuck in a catch 22. Remember that reality has no obligation to put you in the "optimal" environment for high conciousness, so move if you must. BUT that being said, try not to use my last sentence as an excuse to play victim. When stuck with toxic people, avoid becoming intimate with them. High conflict personalities will pin all their problems on or two people and becoming fixated/paranoid about these people. However these personalities also tend to switch who their targets of paranoia, and the closer you are to them and the more involved you are with them the more likely it is for you to become their target. I've learnt from experience with my mother. Make toxic people your acquaintances rather than your friends. Having the will to self actualise and be yourself in a harsh world is one of the cornerstones of self development. To me it is related to fundamental feelings of loneliness you have. The best book I'm reading on this is called "Thick Face, Black Heart" written by a Chinese woman who was inspired by a book called "Thick Black Theory". Its a book about taking effective action and getting what you want, and at a beginner level it's about taking that stage red drive in you and integrating it for something worthwhile. But the true essence of it is about having a self esteem independent of other people's opinions and standards, and to do what you think is best. From reading the book, it seems that underlying all the various random principles/lessons in the book is simply high conciousness. She phrases it as detachment. How one gets a self esteem independent of other people's opinion of you, such a tough question. How one establishes this self esteem separates the Saint from the dysfunctional criminal Psychopath. People high in neuroticism simply care too much about what other people think, it doesn't get much deeper than that.
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lmfao replied to kieranperez's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@AnTe Something like this https://www.actualized.org/insights/thoughts-on-unconditional-love -
lmfao replied to kieranperez's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@mandyjw I was literally just listening to this video whilst I just read your post lol -
I've recently stated doing more strong determination sitting, and I'm looking for the input of someone who's more knowledgeable of kriya yoga since I've read just a few chapters/techniques from the book Leo recommends. Today I thought I'd try and do 60 minuets of Ujjayi Pranayama whilst not moving and meditating. After the whole thing being over, Im left feeling exhausted due to constantly contracting my throat. However, I feel the practice was a nice shake up from what I normally do. For much of the time, my mind was focused on the mechanical action of breathing with the technique correctly. But the switch up made me go deeper it feels, and there is a deep sense of ease. Is doing Ujjayi Pranayama for long periods of time recommended? Is it fine to do? Doing it is actually very exhausting, significantly less exhausting than doing something like holotropic breathing though.
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lmfao replied to theking00's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
He talks in a very clear, humble and straightforward manner. -
lmfao replied to theking00's topic in Spirituality, Consciousness, Awakening, Mysticism, Meditation, God
@theking00 yeah there's too much talk about what enlightenment is in terms of concepts. The idea that "you are God" is extremely easy to be misinterpreted. Many people criticise Leo for it, but honestly it's what Hindus have been saying forever. And here's the thing which I think is important. These ideas that Non-dual teachers give you aren't to be believed, but the human mind cannot do anything but believe them. I think the best thing to do is just throw away as many ideas as you can about god/reality. Do not make any images of God, that's the best thing I've heard from religion. Although you have to take it to an even greater extreme than religious people do. Honestly, I feel like the best approach I've had with success in meditation is to try and forget about everything I've read/learned about non-duality, forget about all my past memories and experiences with non-duality. So forget the word god, forget the word nothing. These concepts about enlightenment are like a ladder which should quickly be disposed of. The concepts can maybe serve the role of introducing u to the idea of very deep, metaphysical deep work. But once you know what sort of practices to do, get rid of the concepts. The thing is, with some of the things Leo says I have zero experience so I have to be careful that I don't believe him. The point of life? To me it all sounds like mental masturbation. For me personally, hearing all these things will just cloud my mind with concepts. If you're still interested in enlightenment/consciousness, listen to different teachers. Right now I'm a big fan of reading Peter Ralston. In my view, the best thing to do is to forget yourself in order to know yourself. Empty the cup as much as you can with direct observation of yourself. -
I hope this post is ironic lol.
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@Leo Gura good shit brother
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Often we might have an enlightenment experience or two, but it's temporary and we wish we could make it last forever. I love this video so much, because before I found it after having done much contemplating and thinking and meditating on the issue of time in general. Asking "what is now?", wondering whether reality is continuous or discontinuous. --------------------------------------------------- I feel the urge to type out the tangent in my thinking. Time is also a weird conceptual paradox. It's strange how any sort of flux, perception or continuity exists. In My explanation I will pressupose the existence of past and future, but this is only so I can highlight the distinction between what a 0th dimensional object looks like vs 1st/second Dimensional object. This is because I want to focus in on the idea of the present moment being a "point" and why it's paradoxical. You can discard the presuppositions after the intuition I'm trying to explain has been communicated. Let's suppose that an interval of time were to be represented as a line we can draw on paper. As you move from left to right, you move from past to present. By very definition, any sort of line is composed of an infinite number of points. A line has size. Points on the other hand are sizeless; they represent location with 0 size. They are considered 0th Dimensional objects because of that. ALL that we have IS the present moment, since the present moment by definition represents what IS. I really want to emphasise this last sentence. Referring back to the graph we drew of time above. Let the variable called "time" be allowed to be assigned a single number. A number is chosen, and it corresponds to the present. The assigned number corresponds to a single point on the line, with the point being the present moment. Because points are sizeless, there is not any sort of leeway for motion, change, flux or perception. Since we are always in the present moment, we are ALWAYS at a point. But if we were at a point, it should feel frozen, static and not dynamic. In the absence of an interval of time, nothing can change or move. Points have a single identity (like they have a single location, with the single location being given by a fixed set of numbers) and do not stray from that fixed identity, hence no leeway for change. Yet, we are under the feeling that life is in flux. The feeling that perception exists. What's going on, I have no idea. This reminds me of calculus. A conceptual tool to say that a single point has an "instantaneous rate of change". And this isn't just mental masturbation, it relates to your direct experience. Ask yourself, what is now? When is now? And you'll find yourself running into these same contradictions, not knowing or knowing whether flux, time or change exists. @Leo Gura thoughts? Is flux an illusion?
