lmfao

Simple adage which holds true here.

@The Don Your direct motivation to do this work doesn't have to be a desire for truth per se. It can just be to understand and see why you're suffering. I've tried lying to myself before that I was doing this work to "seek truth", but no I just want to stop suffering. That makes me more truthful without getting lost in mental landscape. Prior to the onset of apathy and dejection are powerful emotions of frustration, misery, anxiety, fear. It doesn't matter if you feel those powerful emotions, there's no shame. No shame in you being pissed or annoyed. Be pissed, be annoyed. Scream to the heavens, hate God. Your intentionality will unlock doors. --- Flux=death. No flux--->No perception/reality/consciousness ( imagine time standing still, or a 0 dimensional object. This thing in brackets isn't so important, just a tangent you may indulge in.). Once you can see first hand that death is literally life, you'll be more "liberated". If you befriend death, what can harm you?

@Mongu9719 I wrote this to someone once in a similar conversation. I can potentially see a few angles to address this question, but I'll just go with the lens of science being incompatible with holism. So there's more than just what I'm saying here. One thing I could mention, scientists have been trying to explain consciousness in their framework. The " hard problem of consciousness" comes down to consciousness being beyond the "linear sum" ("principle of superposition" in physics but more generalised) of its parts. I think something being beyond the sum of its parts is impossible within the framework of physicalism, and also impossible in the framework of how we use logic. But who said the truth has to be grasped by logic? Physicalism is the view that reality is purely physical (whether its matter or energy). We assume that there is duality, that we can describe reality as being the sum of distinct objects (when I say we assume duality, I just mean that we can take the existence of boundaries to be something we can construct. Boundaries exist in order to ascertain the existence of more than 1 object.). Those objects can interlock, be chaotic, and interact with each other in whatever way you fancy but at the end of the day there's the assumption reality is nothing more than the "sum" of those objects. For an analogy. If "reality" was a triangle, you can cut the triangle into as many pieces as you want but the triangle is still nothing more the sum of those pieces. I think if you get a deep enough insight or look at the way our mind uses logic, you'll see that our rational brain can't really transcend this "sum of the parts" of thinking. For me this insight comes from imagining motion in space, and just the inherent duality to it all. Duality implies sum of the parts thinking by necessity. ----- It might be worth noting that there is a tautology in modern science by calling everything in reality physical within the framework of physicalism. Given this tautology, why would it be any different if I said everything in reality is spiritual? You might find this worth considering, why different tautologies exist. Why do some people say everything is love? There are millions of different tautological theories you can find, millions of different circular axiomatic systems.

Isn't there a quote for this situation, "There is no such thing as bad publicity"? It is far easier to turn negative attention into positive attention than it to turn no attention into positive attention. I found this insight very interesting in the conflicts I've had with people. It relates to that feeling of respect people have for each other after butting heads. Children do it quite frequently. Hate and conflict is the path to love and understanding. It made me realise the power of antagonism.

I am not excited about death at all, I'm terrified. I will be gone.

The question I see becoming relevant then, is at what point does this place become a monolith of identical opinions and approaches. To reject what Leo says ----> Thread lock, seems to be the pattern being approached day by day. Whether it's the means or whether it's the goal or both that have changed for this forum, something's shifted/shifting. It seems to me that the degree to which mental masturbation is allowed here is simply the degree to which the particular thing agrees with one man's formulation of the "highest teaching". Use the incorrect buzzwords or alternate definitions for things, your viewpoint is more likely to become automatically shunned. Use the correct buzzwords and "correct definitions" and your viewpoint is automatically praised, irregardless of how insightful or dumb or contextually appropriate your message is. Considering how tentative language (every person has their own idiosyncratic grammar, structure, etc, not to mention the relative nature of it overall) is, I worry there will be too little generosity and openness to exploring or acknowledging other people's viewpoints Sheep-like behaviour and ideological parroting is only going to become more common here. Sure the top dogs might not be that deluded in your space, but you end up setting up a system where you're left with cult-like followers.

I get you

In regards to moderation, one is inquiring into the difference between exploration and "spreading misinformation". Radically grounded , radical openness is the desired quality of this space, as paradoxical as that sounds. If you default to heavy moderation, you default to assuming bad intent and intentions. I don't even mean bad in the moral sense, I mean that you assume the other person is in the incorrect orientation/mode at the very least. You create enemies where there are none. Take this thread for example This guy was sharing his truth, his insight (The clickbait title isn't even that bad). Instead, Leo gives a nit-picky criticism by referencing the strange loop nature of things whilst the guy here alluded to that and was receptive to a dialogue. I saw that space as great for people exchanging concepts, and then Leo terminated it. Leo used to be a big propagator of avoiding "non-duality wars" but his approach in this regard has changed. What's going on I think is an ultimately utilitarian endeavour towards transforming the nature of the forum. It's a "the ends justify the means" approach. Leniency leads to the water becoming poisoned, you get bogged down in trying to convert the deluded by playing the same game as them. It's a pure waste of time. And although nobody wants to hear it, not all opinions and ideas are created equal (equal in the realm of relative standards/goals that we set). Ultimately, I think the dynamic Leo is aiming for in this forum is changing a little. He's making it closer to a school or teacher-student dynamic. --- That being said, I agree with more decisions of his to lock a thread than I disagree with. I'm fairly aimless and scatterbrained though because when I see these threads of people e.g. ivankiss talking about the distinction between god, the absolute, consciousness it just doesn't resonate with me and I turn off. And it's mostly in those threads where people nitpick terms like these that the locking happens.

@tenta snakey move there lmao. I've posted a selfie here before but then I was like "nah" and deleted it. I don't want my real life identity to ever overlap onto this account. This is a good thread to revive. In nature and real life, one sees the face of the person they are communicating with.

@Rilles Well, before I would nibble a quarter but now I take half a tablet at a time if I ever use. I can pop 1 tablet without too much effect either, but ive only done that a few times. I've been playing it safe, being fine with subtle changes. My tablets are 150mg armodafinil.

@Rilles having spasms sounds like some sort of anxiety response to the drug. I take armodafinil on occasion, it doesn't do much for me either! I have to increase the dosage, but that could be for any random reason.

@YoungSinghit's here to stay.

@Martin123 In terms of what he has to say for himself, Leo has explained his change in approach as being necessarily less tolerant of "devils". To be fair, I don't think I have much criticism of the responses Leo gives to people. He's probably saying what's true. Commenting on people in regards to the domain of approach and demeanour isn't my strongest suit. I notice in my own interactions and conversations with people, so much misunderstanding, talking past one another, etc. It feels like a chaotic mess. And I feel like I can see the same chaotic mess in this forum. So I'm projecting, but perhaps not in a negative sense, using a definition for the word different from the definition in wikipedia.

Trump will make fun of Biden's dementia in a heartbeat, dude's amazing when it comes to roasting people. Yet Bernie refuses to make any comment on it, thinking it would be too "personal". Well the stakes are high, you don't get to become president by doing a halfhearted attempt. He needs to go harder. Better that Bernie pull the trigger than Trump. Besides, a president having dementia is extremely valid to bring up. So it isn't a meaningless thing to bring up for Bernie. This man knows how to work a crowd and insult people. Biden will get absolutely destroyed.

He's an orange, lifeless shill. Just another manifestation of the elite's collective will.

@Vladz0r ggwp

@Mongu9719 If it does happen, a whole other set of problems will be created. Human suffering will remain

If Biden is running, I'm feeling a Trump victory.

Rest in peace the realest flat earther. If he managed to succeed in his mission and then came back down and said the earth was round, all these conspiracy theorists would call him a paid actor or something, lol. Straight off of Snopes, woah.

I'm trying to map on the duality of doing things in a low consciousness manner vs doing things in a high consciousness manner onto the possibly existing duality in the title. A big theme one comes across is one's mechanicalness and automaticity. Most people like me are in a constant state of being in autopilot. This fits in with the idea of karma, memory. We have many preprogrammed sequences stored in our brain. If one's goal is to do everything mindfully, I don't know how to reconcile that with the many automatic processes we do. For example, my ability to type at the rate I am doing is thanks to memory and automaticity no? Same for my ability to walk, breathe, eat, drink, etc. Whats the relation between automaticity/mechanicalness and mindfulness then? Can these activities be done mindfully, even though they are automatic. I mean the zen idea is to just let yourself be fully involved in the activity, but I don't think I get that. If I try to be extremely mindful of the way I do my activities, I just find myself having the urge to be cease the activity all together. If mechanism is the antithesis of mindfulness, then I'm confused. Maybe it isn't, idk. I'm finding myself get absorbed in this process of typing sentences in a unpremeditated way, so maybe this is duality is stupid. Edit: maybe the one of many forces in my psyche which wants to cease activity arises from the acute acknowledgement of having neurotic motivations in the first place for the behaviour. But that leads my brain into more blah since neuroticism and automaticity possibly have an intimate relation.

If the kids will end up as neurotic as me, I think I'll pass.

The response to that would probably be to not identify the ego, which is a subset of God, as the entirety of God. Leo the ego cannot physically materialise shit, I'm guessing.

Associated with suffering is a righteous indignation targeted at reality, "How dare you do this to me!". A grim, angry self righteousness.

@Lelouch Lamperouge Trump as a person is kind of ugly to me. But that hasn't got much to do with his policies. He's just a typical republican for the most part. I know it's a meme to make fun of Trump fans who think Trump is secretly smart and playing 4D chess, but on some level I have to believe it if he's just so successful. So there's probs a method to the madness, albeit you might think the method is low consciousness. I hope Bernie wins.