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  1. Posted · Edited by Faceless

    13 minutes ago, robdl said:

    Thought/self/"I" doesn't know how to be; thought only knows how to perpetuate its own movement, which is through more thought; more doing.

    Thought/self/"I" is always craving a "how to" -- as "how" implies a method, effort, knowledge, or doing.

    But the catch is that the methods, efforts, knowlege, or doing used becomes the very perpetuation of thought-self itself. 

    Thought-self is very sneaky this way.  It wants to try, to do, to exert, to apply -- as these are the very activities that sustain its movement.    Thought likes to avoid being, and instead, compulsively seeks more knowledge, more how-to's --- i.e. perpetuating itself through more thought.

    So if we can't exert or try, can we be effortlessly, passively aware?  That is what you may want to investigate. 

    Can there be attention that has no goal, no intent, no effort? Can thoughts be watched without bias, motive, control, or choice? 

    Without any prior beliefs, conclusions, or expectations that condition how the thoughts are watched?

    If the desire to control arises, can there be passive awareness of this momentary, fleeting desire? 

    ***As long as there is an "I" that assumes it is the "thinker" of its thoughts, there will naturally be the compulsion to want to control-shape thought, to do something about thought.***

     

     

    Indeed..great post. Very important questions. 

    Perhaps we can put aside the question of “how can I let go of resistance”, seeing that it nourishes “the i”, and we can instead start with what is the nature of reistance. 

    Maybe through understanding resistance, freedom without resistance manifest in that seeing/understanding. 

  3. Posted · Edited by Faceless

    It’s quite interesting isn’t it, we pursue the abstraction of “enlightenment” as if it was something we already knew. 

    We invent the abstraction of what enlightenment is, and then moving away from the fact, strive towards that abstraction. 

    This is done habitually, mechanically, compulsively. 

     

    Can we end this mechanical pattern of pursuing our own inventions projected by thought? 

     

    Can there be freedom without that time bound movement of the i? 

  7. Posted · Edited by Faceless

    1 hour ago, Mikael89 said:

    Energy= effort.

    You might want to investigate that more friend. It’s important indeed. 

     

    1 hour ago, Mikael89 said:

    So you said that being enlightened constantly requires a huge amount of effort/energy/attention.

    I don’t talk about being enlightened. We are constantly in change. Even if I had said I was enlightened, which I would never say, it would be closer to i have been enlightened. ?

     

    As long as this pursuit of “enlightenment” is in movement, so is time/effort(the i). 

    The energy effort/time(self) is very limited-finite. 

    The energy of effort-volition is contradictory and therefore breeds conflict. One desire in conflict with another. This seems to give one energry, but that energy is very limited-minimal. 

    When all effort-volition/time ceases to manifest, energy is limitless, infinite, boundless. Energy must be infinite. 

    Effort/time as the i, implicitly sets its own limit and continuously tries to exceed that limit. 

     

     

     

  8. Posted

    4 hours ago, Mikael89 said:

    Apparently Faceless is a liar too, I remember I read a post by some of the moderators where the moderator said something about that Faceless have said that he has read many books since young age, but has now changed it to "I have never read any books", so one of those statements is a lie. 

    I couldn't find the post.

    :) that’s because there never was a post like that. I am not a reader. I have read 0 books at all in my entire life. Thank heavens:)

  9. Posted

    5 hours ago, Mikael89 said:

    Enlightened teachers:

    "Happiness is simply the knowing of our own Being – the natural, effortless and innate condition of our Self, when it is no longer pulled into an imaginary past or projected into an imaginary future by resistance and seeking."

    "The separate, inside self is like a middleman, dividing our essential Being of ever-present, unlimited Awareness from all experience. This division places us in a relationship of conflict, always seeking to hold onto, resist or change the current situation, never letting it be the one thing it always is – just what it is. Without the middleman, the relationship between ourself and all experience is one of natural, effortless intimacy. This intimacy is the experience of love in relation to people and animals, happiness in relation to situations, and beauty in relation to objects."

    "We normally think that to be a separate self is natural and effortless, and that to be the open, empty presence of Awareness requires effort. In fact, it is the other way round: to be the open, empty presence of Awareness is natural and effortless, but to be a separate self requires a continuous and subtle effort of thinking and feeling."

    "When we understand that what we deeply long for can never be found in an object, substance, activity, relationship or state, our longing naturally and effortlessly loses its direction and dynamism, flows back to its source, and is revealed as the happiness for which we were in search."

    - Rupert Spira

     

    "When Zen masters say ‘effortlessness’ they are referring to the state when your enlightenment is well rooted. Now there is no need of any effort; now you can be relaxed and at ease, it will grow on its own accord. It will bring much foliage, and many flowers, and many blessings.”

    - Osho

     

    "Since pure awareness of nowness is real Enlightenment, 
    in openness and contentment I found the Truth in my heart. 
    By simply relaxing in this uncontrived, open, and natural state, 
    we obtain the quality of effortless freedom of whatever arises."

    - Jigdral Yeshe Dorje

     

    "The awakening process, once begun, develops its own momentum without effort on your part, and the truth naturally yearns to awaken itself through you."

     - Stephan Bodian

    Indeed no effort. 

    But what is effort and what is not effort? Do we know the difference? 

  10. Posted · Edited by Faceless

    9 hours ago, Anna1 said:

     However, if one's mind is too dull or too agitated, then one can not look at thought or observe it, in movement.

     

     

    :)Indeed..agitation & dullness an indication of this mechanical process of psychological time in movement. 

    A mind burdened by fear only sees what satisfies its own personal needs to maintain psychological security/certainty-permanence.  Observation is then selective-bias, therefore not observation. The mind is then only concerned with itself, not the observation of the fact. 

  11. Posted

    1 hour ago, Ingit said:

     I know I have to contemplate myself but i dont like the Way @Faceless said that he cant help me... im not here for help... but to get more knowledge and concepts and thereby Apply correct on myself.

    I’m sorry you feel what was said was rude.

    The self depends on “help” in the form of getting more knowledge/concepts/guidance in which it uses to “correct itself”. But that same process/means in which it applies that knowledge/concepts/guidance, contributes to the very confusion/fragmentation(psychological time). 

    This is what we are discussing on the thread, the reality of illusion. We are not accumulating and conforming to knowledge/content. We are connecting the dots in understanding the movement of thought as it is seen directly in the conditioned consciousness. 

    Seeing/Understanding for ourselves so there may be a holistic awareness to such a illusions. 

     

  12. Posted · Edited by Faceless

    24 minutes ago, Etagnwo said:

    Faceless has no ability to communicate this truth as he seems more interested in hearing the sound of his own fucking boring voice than trying to help you. 

     

    We cannot help him. That is the point. It’s up to others to see for themselves. 

    37 minutes ago, SOUL said:

    This thread is a Pollock painting of mental masturbation preaching a blank canvas although awareness is a field of hemp mingling with a rainbow pallet of wildflowers.

    You keep saying that.. it’s ok, you don’t have to read and post in the thread. 

     

  13. Posted · Edited by Faceless

    19 minutes ago, now is forever said:

    @Etagnwo no. he just is confusion.

    or more: contradiction.

    Maybe, maybe not. 

    You will not understand from my posts alone, you have to look at the self/thought. Observe yourself in movement. 

    Don’t accept or deny, investigate, or don’t. 

    Can’t come into an investigation with pre-assumptions, pre-suppositions right?

    As that is looking through the lens of “i”(distortion-corruption of what-is). 

     

  14. Posted · Edited by Faceless

    20 minutes ago, Ingit said:

    it feels like im doing nothing..

    How do we know when we are doing nothing, if there is no understanding and awareness of when we are doing something?

    20 minutes ago, Ingit said:

    How can I stay with what is within my mind,

    The moment “we” ask “how can I”, or “how do I”, we have already invited this divisive movement of fragmentation(psychological time), as a means which then projects it’s own content ‘as’ time.

    Therefore more of the same divisive movement; evading the fact to the abstraction. 

    As long as there is this division between “the i” and mind there comes the inevitable conflict, as in movement away from the fact towards the abstraction. 

  15. Posted · Edited by Faceless

     

     Pleasure/pain = attachment(dependence) on the image/abstraction of hope(psychological time). 

     

    Hope which implies seeking pleasure in the contents of thought-time. A mechanical movement to always bring about a sense of psychological security-permanence to that which is actually impermanent-insecure. We don’t see that the invitation of pleasure is also invitation of pain.

    Always mechanically escaping despair now which is the fact, and inventing the image(hope), which is the  (abstraction-content/image, “the i”, the past). 

    There is suffering because I am resisting the fact and keep holding freedom as some ”thing”(thought), to be captured in time. 

    The self(time), is seeking psychological in its own movement, which is thought(image-content/abstraction). 

     

    The self perpetually holds freedom in the distance. 

     

    “The i” seeking security in pleasure, escaping the fact of despair, resisting the fact of suffering, all being one and the same movement of fear looking to time-thought, as in psychological becoming, to end that fear. The ultimate illusion. 

     

    This very movement of hope(psychological becoming), is the feeding force of that pleasure seeking/pain & despair-suffering(FEAR/FRAGMENTATION IN MOVEMENT).

  18. Posted · Edited by Faceless

    On 9/13/2018 at 9:18 AM, MiracleMan said:

    Is there absolutely anything one can do?  It seems hopeless.  We can reasonably and rationally work through this, but logical understanding with the mind doesn't bring about an unveiling, it doesn't move anything out of the way.

    Im not directly looking for a response friend, I just felt like writing about hope. I hope:), you don’t mind if I use your quote here. I think I go into the nature of hope-hopelessness may be a great contribution to the thread...

     

    Is hopeless so bad??‍♂️??

     

    Is there sound reason, logic, rational thinking when one sees being hopeless as discouraging? 

    Doesn’t Hope imply psychological becoming (seeking psychological security in time)?

    Doesn’t hope imply that “i”, (A), will, (as in volition), “BECOME” (B) in time. Psychological movement from what-is, to what should be. 

    Isn’t this a result of fragmentation? 

    Isn’t this the same movement of escaping the fact to the abstraction(image)? 

    Do we see that as long as Hope holds one hostage, logic is never truly logical, reason at best is unreasonable, and rational thinking actually irrational?

    How rational, logical, reasonable can one be when seeking psychological security in there own movement, yet thinking that that very movement is distinct from themselves? 

    How rational, logical, reasonable, can one be when thinking is limited by this divisive movement of fragmentation, which therefore makes way for divided, incomplete action? 

     

     

    Here we are not looking for an answer using logic, reason, rational thinking-understanding. We are not looking to move anything out of the way, as that implies divided action-reaction by the chooser(the i that moves things)..

    Here we are understanding-observing the problem as movement. In the understanding-observation of movement there is no space between “the i” and “things” (thoughts), that need to be moved. As the conflict simply ends because “the i” is seen through, and that illusion ceases to manifest in, and as, time(self). 

    Logic, rational thought, reason, only good for understanding content. We are not analyzing content, as the one who analyzes is the analyzed. If that was the case we would be looking at images through an image(conditioned lens of the i). 

    Here we are not looking through an image(content) at images, but we are looking at movement from this to that, A TO B. 

    It seems many people do not see the significance at looking at psychological movement. To look at movement when the word, image, content of i meets the now, and distorts the reality of what-is. 

     

    Some may think that being hopeless is a bad thing, but to me hopelessness is freedom. 

  20. Posted · Edited by Faceless

    1 hour ago, Ingit said:

    @Faceless yep i can see... ! ?? dont resist anything... 

    To resist what-is fortifies the illusion that there is an entity that resists in the first place. 

    Develop a welcoming relationship with what-is. To resist that relationship with the fact is to evade any possibility of understanding this movement(mechanical compulsion). 

    We never learn about the problem, because “we” perpetually evade it. 

  21. Posted · Edited by Faceless

    32 minutes ago, Ingit said:
    1 hour ago, Faceless said:

    The i that moves from sorrow(fact), to its idea of non-sorrow, is a movement of fear. This is where the division between the thought and the self is strengthened. Thought (moving towards the abstraction) brings about fear, and fear perpetuates this compulsive thought. 

    You mean to say the negative thoughts we think which are not real implies that they are true(The FACT) ????? Sorry I didn't get it...  @Faceless

     

    If there is a moment of anger isn’t that a fact that is taking place, (a reality)? 

    Observe now, what is a fact that is taking place? 

    Do you notice this “I am this, but I should be, or I want to be some”thing” else? 

    If I move for what is actually happening now to an idea-abstraction of what I want instead, isn’t that resisting the reality of what-is?

     

  22. Posted · Edited by Faceless

    It just depends on the approach. “We” are all new to life. All noobies. 

    Personal Growth may invite time as means. And the means may project it’s end or sustain its process of time/nourishment of fear. 

    For me freedom was instant, no up and down, no progression and then regression. As this may be the result of inviting time (psychological becoming) as a means to ending its very own movement. 

    For me freedom wasn’t in time(future/at the end), but in the now. 

    Or as is said, “it’s now or never”. 

     

  23. Posted · Edited by Faceless

    Psychological Movement from A TO B...

     

    This moving away from the fact to the abstraction is to stay caught in endless cycle of action/reaction(which arise as thoughts). 

    When we move away from the fact this implies a movement of fear itself in resistance to what-is... The i that moves from sorrow(fact), to its idea of non-sorrow, is a movement of fear. This is where the division between the thought and the self is strengthened. Thought (moving towards the abstraction) brings about fear, and fear perpetuates this compulsive thought. 

    Going from A TO B = psychological time. A movement from this to that. 

    If there is a staying with A, time, (psychological becoming) in movement ceases.

    This means thought psychologically (the movement of i), has come to a hault. 

    No thought movement in time as the i, (psychological becoming), no fear. 

    No fear, no compulsive thought, no compulsive thought reaction, no fear. 

     

    Can we for now, observe this movement of this to that, here to there, A to B? 

    This is the movement of the i, and it is pretty much always in movement, so it just takes observation of that movement. 

    I am this, I will be that.

    i am sad, I want to be happy. 

    I am violent, I shouldn’t be violent. 

    I am stupid, I will become smart. 

     

    Such movements are all movements of fear. As long as there is movement from the fact to the abstraction there is fear. No movement as time from this to that there is no fear. 

    And as long as there is fear this compulsion to escape to more abstraction continues. This movement of “i” is born of fragmentation, and this movement keeps this false division alive. The burden of psychological thought (enslavement-psychological evolution/progression), then keeps feeding its own movement. 

     

     

  24. Posted · Edited by Faceless

    On 9/9/2018 at 5:46 PM, Faceless said:

    Again, thought-self, (illusion) will escape the fact (fear), and seek psychological security in the abstraction. Movement from A TO B. Thought does not like to just stay with A. Thought-self is very tricky and tells itself “I” want to get to B, but doesn’t see that by doing so, that action nourishes it’s own movement of psychological time(fragmentation).