Carl-Richard

That's an interesting song. I can see your point on a certain divergent creativity informing heaviness. But this happens "within" genres as well. It's really just a matter of scale. Structure is always there, hierarchy is always there, genre is always there. It's just how far can you jump. And it's also about where you choose to focus. These jumps happen all the time when making songs. If they don't happen to any noticeable degree, you get ideas like "bland", "stale", "unoriginal", "uncreative". For heaviness in particular, the jump can be as minor as introducing a different technique for how you attack the strings (e.g. "thumping", as popularized by Tosin Abasi, or the insane pick scratches by Gojira) or rhythmical elaborativeness (e.g. Meshuggah). Rhythm in itself is a Pandora's box of heaviness, and of course dissonance of rhythm especially. Or it can be inviting an entirely different sound than what is normal for that genre (e.g. strummed acoustic guitar layered on top of the distorted guitars; both Opeth and Nile has done this) or really music altogether (e.g. the nightmare-ish, silent but also loud amorphous wall of dissonance which is impossible to describe in the interlude of Steven Wilson's and Mikael Akerfeldt's "Storm Corrosion"; maybe a bad example of staying within a genre to be honest). However, you did make me have some interesting thoughts pop in my mind about ways of producing music that are so divergently creative that it scares you socks off. It's hard to describe, but I got a "vision" (rather a "listen") about somewhere in a song leading up to a type of breakdown, you do a severe surround sound effect where you quickly flip the entire soundscape to the back of your head and then pan it violently upwards and forward (it would be so much easier to show you with hand movements, but whatever). I would have to create it to show what I really mean. It's a bit like the vision I had with the meditation movie idea. You would know more what I mean when you see it. There are actually many such visions/listens I have about music that if I were to pursue and create in a song, it would either sound amazing or I would never be able to recreate it.

I'm not gonna lie, the first few times I got high, it was like a new world opened up for me. The level of interconnectedness of mind and stream of insights I got and which I would spill in raving rants like Terrence McKenna on speed was something else. The euphoria and sense of profundity was unmatched. One the other hand, LSD opened it up even further and also crushed the previous world I lived in. And seeds were planted there for meditation to take over and bring in a new world again which recaptured the older one.

Some of the most unexpectedly heavy things I've heard is that one Poppy scream in that Knocked Loose Jimmy Kimmel performance (I hadn't heard the song before watching that). It didn't sound like a "metal" scream, but like a "scream scream", like from a horror movie. And also that moan inflection at the end. That was something that broke the standard metal mould but which also made it more heavier.

I swear if you look up any vegetable, berries or spice, somewhere it will say "it is known for its aphrodisiac properties". Try it 😂

I bought some of Dr. Collins Biomin Restore without fluoride as recommended by Bryan Johnson. I was hesistant in buying it, considering hydroxyapatite nanoparticles sounds spooky. But I figured it's probably better than fluoride (for your brain, maybe not for your teeth). Then I realized one ingredient, titanium dioxide, is now banned in the EU since 2022 from foods and supplements, including toothpastes. It ironically also comes in the form of nanoparticles, and that's what is thought to be some of the reason why it is cytotoxic in vitro and labelled as a carcinogen. Funnily, my brother read the tube once and he blurted out "titanium dioxide?!" with a chuckle, probably because he works with titanium, but the implication was also "that surely can't be good for you...". And that was my feeling too. So I looked it up, and here we are. So does anybody have any alternative fluoride-free hydroxyapatite toothpastes they use without titanium dioxide? 😊 Or do you guys in the US not care about EU regulations? 😆

Amelodic in the Western classical music sense where if you play outside or jump too much between Western music scales, you're deemed a heretic. Like if you watch Doug Helvering's earlier music reaction videos, he will be like "ooh, that is a weird place to go to an E". Basically all music theory jargon is just Western imperialism 😆 The most amelodic music I can think of that uses tones and is not just random sounds is some of Frank Zappa's earlier records:

They seem to use a lot of Phrygian in their intros when doing their nods to Egyptology and just generally, but I think that particular chord progression is more amelodic than anything (missing a true tonal center), which is a typical thing in death metal, but this was just pulled off so beautifully. "Death" is a band that uses very much Phrygian, certainly in Chuck Schuldiner's solos (it's virtually in all of his solos). I think for a chord progression to sound heavy, it must have moments of incredible dissonance that is unpredictable in a way, but which is also used strategically and in a larger melodic context that is not as dissonant. Or else it just becomes "ugly" or "just noise". Phrygian as a scale seems to make a good general template for this, but going into amelodic territories is where you find the really heavy stuff. Another example of a really heavy chord progression is Opeth's Blackwater Park intro riff (0:07-1:10). The final chord in the progression is so dissonant, both in comparison to the previous chord but also especially as its own chord. But honestly, the riff just after that (1:15) is honestly just as dissonant and generally the most genius riff ever written: One thing is for certain though, Nile's style being centered around Egyptology gives it a mystical and sinister vibe, because Ancient Egypt has always given me that vibe. Images of being deep inside a pyramid and running from mummies and ghosts of thousand year old kings casting magic spells.

@UnbornTao Health is unironically the best aphrodisiac. It's a holistic aphrodisiac. The term is often used in reductionistic way to describe things that work like a drug that you can boil down to a very specific mechanism of action (which is generally what they do with all kinds of food). But if you take an aphrodisiac drug and you're unhealthy, it might not even work that well. You can't get a boner if you can't get blood to your dick despite taking 2CB or whatever.

@UnbornTao Don't GPT it, Google it 😆

There is also something incredibly heavy about growling "allahuakbar" before a breakdown 😂: 1:19

The chord progression in the chorus is the heaviest piece of chord progression I have ever heard. That's the stuff only my imagination can create, hearkening back to the original purpose of the thread. 1:30

Sit comfortably but upright, close your eyes and then imagine that what is now behind your eyelids is actually a completely different room than the room you think you're in. And then drop the notion that there is a room there at all. Just sit with what is actually there: greyish darkness, small visual sparkles. Then drop the notion that you are sitting on a chair (or whatever you are sitting on). Just stay with what you're sensing, the feeling of pressure under your butt, the sensation of your arms on your sides. Just stay with the sensations. Then drop the notion that you have a face or a head. Just stay with the sensations that supposedly make up the face and head. Then drop the notion that you have a body at all. You're just sensations floating in consciousness. And even that is a notion to be dropped at some point. Keep doing this with whatever notion that pops into your head and that is keeping you tethered to some constraint or limitation.

Try hanging around depressed people while listening to depressing music while watching depressing TV shows and eating depressing food. Then do that 90% of your time (PS: it's a joke, don't self-harm yourself 😊).

I really noticed this too when I was revisiting Linkin Park (the music of my childhood). Like, that stuff is really heavy. I really noticed it influencing my thoughts so I chose to stop listening to most of it. But nothing beats the beauty of calm, melancholic music. This doesn't really make me feel sad, just "moody": EDIT: Watch me use "really" in literally every sentence next time.

5. ...MeO-DMT.

It can be much simpler than that. Ask what the healthiest people eat (not the banana girl youtubers or whatever — people who actually measure their health). If you've tried this diet and it doesn't work, then you're free to complain:

How often do you eat out? Eating out is already complex. You have to take time out if your day to plan where to eat and maybe order a table, you have to coordinate with all your friends (presumably), you have to work out transportation, maybe parking, you have to walk a lot, you have to maybe look for directions or use Google Maps, you have to find the restaurant and then wait to get a table. Then you get the menu and you have to choose between sometimes over 100 options. At least when you're a vegan, there are fewer options to choose from which makes it simpler. The food part is arguably the simplest part of the whole activity. As for limiting your culinary scope, you probably only order spaghetti bolognese like the last time anyway (jking). Of course, this is a frivilous thing compared to what meat entails. It's like you don't want to let go of slavery because it limits the variety of slaves and the richness of human labor. Slavery also makes things simpler. There is a long tradition with slavery stretching back many thousands of years, so many cultures, so much wisdom, rituals and habits. It's a shame it all went to waste, right?

It's an egoic response to the cessation of self and other.

The best jokes rarely land.

Wherever you're going, you can't take what is asking with you. Enlightenment is the ultimate anti-achievement. You thought you would get something but it's the complete utter opposite. If you think you will achieve something at Enlightenment, you will be radically, extraordinarily, impossibly disappointed. It's the cessation of achievement.

Sylvi for preZ. Only kidding of course, Jonas 4ever <3

Read a book about Spiral Dynamics and pretend like you're Yellow. That always works 😜

Have you seen Oslo? The time IShowSpeed visited and shut down the city, I could only see black people.

When behavior is determined from the inside, that is autonomy. Autonomy is the basis of bodily integrity and mental stability. If you constrain a human to something they don't want to do, they will complain. If you constrain the movement of a dog, it will whine. If you constrain the movement of an amoeba, it will die. It goes straight down to our biology. Homeostasis is the process of keeping the internal structures in line with its own wholeness, its own will, its own autonomy. An organism who acts in line with its own innate abilities and capacities, experiences maximum fitness, maximum mental stability, maximum feeling of pleasure and well-being. This is basis of Self-Determination Theory, a famous model of behavior, and also particularly Self-Actualization in Maslow's Hierachy of needs. Certain notions can multiply or subtract your autonomy. A famous example is Andrew Tate's "depression doesn't exist". Even if you think it is blunt and prone to traps, it's an incredibly effective notion to have. As a notion that sits in your mind, it confers a strong basis of autonomy. I'm convinced very successful and powerful people gravitate towards these kinds of notions, and some have learned to use them very strategically and effectively to their advantage. Now, if you are thinking about traps with this, there are (e.g. closing your mind to outside information, undermining checks for self-deception). But also notice that any virtue can be "corrupted" by a value system you deem to be lower than yours. "Balance is a virtue" -> proceeds doing charity work for the Jehova's Witnesses during the day and homicide at night. Or "holism is a virtue" -> proceeds to make "the whole world" into the Third Reich. Similarly, the idea of funneling autonomy down to egoism would be a particular value-laden interpretation (maybe Red). If your values are higher than those, your autonomy would be to act in line with those values (e.g. human rights, love, equality). Autonomy (as well as other virtues) must therefore largely be seen as a virtue on the organism's or value system's own terms. Principles that are universal are also particular. Doing a pre-emptive strike on a country if you believe the country will destroy your country if you don't do it, will confer autonomy, emotional and mental stability, and not least bodily integrity to your country. A leader of a country who is naturally steeped in autonomy, will express this for their country. That is again not to say anything about the values of such countries. Their autonomy stands on their own terms. So what is the take-away for someone who values self-development? Notice the values you have, what you feel compelled to do, what you like to do to, what excites you, and worship these things. Create and build notions that support these things, while also of course being aware of the traps that can occur while doing so. Express yourself, say what you mean, say what you think is right, not as an anti-social outburst or to be blunt for bluntness sake, but because you MEAN it. Say it because it comes from deep within your soul. Say it because you think it will create the right world to live in. Autonomy is nothing without autonomy support, and that's why this advice, this place and others that support you, and the world you want to create, matters.

@samijiben Maybe there is a deeper notion you have to deal with that you haven't identified yet (likely one you have to drop). That's why investigating all your notions and dropping them as a practice is very useful. Using one notion as a crutch when there is another conflicting with it is not optimal. Also, often there is an actual problem to be solved, or you just need practice with a given situation. That anxiety must be avoided is also a notion (I'm not saying it's a good or a bad one). Also, to use a very general notion ("all anxiety is just an appearance") to deal with a specific issue (anxiety in a particular situation) is often not optimal, which is why the anxiety might resurface. Say if you're anxious about doing a presentation, maybe the main fear is of not performing and looking like a fool. A good notion there could be to not care about your performance. Then the anxiety has no ground anymore. So good notions often track specifically to the situation. And sometimes, maybe dealing with notions is not needed. Maybe you just need to go with the flow and take on things intuitively (which is itself a type of notion, but you get the point). Some problems cannot be solved by the conscious mind. Sometimes being, listening and feeling is all that is needed.