Forestluv

There is no thing to see.

All words are distinctions. At the human level, minds like to interpret and assign meaning. At the absolute level, it has no more relevance than bird chirps.

Thoughts and images arise. That’s a feature of minds. One key for the absolute to be revealed is to surrender all, including attachment and identification with thoughts and images.

@Ethankahn It seems like your mind is still thinking and imagining. All thoughts and images are relative. One surrenders all distinctions to become aware prior to all distinctions.

@Ethankahn When the null void revealed itself, this type of thinking ended.

All distinctions collapse.

@Ethankahn Your mind is still making distinctions. It doesn’t look like Mu has revealed itself. And welcome to the forum. That is a very contemplative post.

@Igor82 Nice to see you went with the flow and had a pleasant, insightful trip. Low doses have a similiar effect on me. It’s nice to have a low intensity, short duration tool to boost my baseline consciousness level. It sounds like you have a great mind set and I look forward to the 15mg report.

To Infinity and Beyond! -Buzz Lightyear

That assumes an objective external reality. . .

At the human level, it’s relative / subjective. You decide your values and when something strays outside of that, you might consider it a problem. You may also try to get in touch with your intuition and what disturbs you. Yet, there is no external objective universal tool to designate something as a “problem”. At the absolute level, there are no problems as the ego perceives them.

Anxiety reduction is not a common feature of LSD. Generally it is neutral or increases anxiety. Creative enhancement would be considered a feature of LSD. Yet LSD is not any more anxiety inducing than shrooms. If you were ok on shrooms, you should be ok on a comparable dose of LSD. If your intention is to simpky open creative channels without anxiety and things getting weird, I’d reccommend a smallish dose in the 50-70ug range. You might also want to consider micro dosing for creative enhancement.

Great. That is plenty for multiple trips in case the first is underwhelming or whacky. If you’ve got anxiety issues, I’d recommend 1.5g. If you don’t have anxiety issues, or have worked through ucomfortable periods with edible cannibis, I’d recommend 2g. I would eat healthy the days prior to the trip and avoid things like alcohol, fatty meats etc. I would eat them on an empty, or near empty stomach. If there is nausea, it won’t necessarily last the whole trip. Sometimes I get moderate nausea on the comeup and then it settles down.

Are you able to get enough shrooms for three trips? Perhaps 6 grams or so? One cannot predict what will arise during a trip. On one trip, one could get naseous, throw up and think they are in a simulated reality, on another trip go into a blissful state of listening to music and on another trip receive deeply profound insights that 20 years of meditation wouldn’t have revealed. Plus, you could find out you have a naturally high tolerance to the substance and need to do another trip with a higher dose. There are a lot of variables at play. Before my Ayahuasca retreat, people recommended I do at least three ceremonies. I’m glad I did. Each one was very different. The powerful enlightening experience came during the second ceremony. The 1st and 3rd ceremonies were great, yet the 2nd one was by far the most profound experience of my life. I’m still integrating lessons two years later. As well, I tripped on San Pedro three times. Again, one of the trips was much more profound than the other two. Based on what I’ve read and my own my experience, with three trips there is a good chance one will be deeply profound. Based on your intention, I would suggest a moderate dose of 1.5-2g.

@joeyi99 I would get enough to do at least three trips as your initial experience. Dosage, mindset and setting are all important variables. I would contine to practice meditation leading up to the first trip and set up a familiar, peaceful meditative setting. The dosage depends on your intention. Do you want a boost to your meditation practice and have insights that are easily integrated into your life? Or perhaps to surrender the self and enter a nondual realm that would reveal a deeper awakening, yet would be more intense and difficult to integrate into life? Or perhaps somewhere in between? Or perhaps just a test drive to see if this might be a good spiritual tool for you? It’s like deciding to take a trip away from home and asking “how far from home should I travel? Should I travel to the local park, to the next country over, around the world to China or to the moon?”

I’ve found self inquiry to be a relatively advanced practice that needs a baseline level of mind relaxation. It’s just not effective with a busy mind. I would work on establishing a consistent basic meditation practice. Once the mind can consistently settle down, then add in self inquiry.

Be mindful of making pre-judgements without study and experience. Each of those tools can be effective or ineffective depending on the person. An egoic mindset likes to think that what is good for me is best for everyone.

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@Aaron p I’d say it depends on your experience level with 5-meo. If this is your 1st or 2nd time, I would do a small dose or just wait for a better time. Do you have experience tripping in this environment before? 5-meo is not particularly harder to go with the flow than other psychedelics, yet the first time has an uncertainty factor which in this environment may trigger anxiety in a novice. Personally, I internalize discomfort - so it may be loud inside my mind-body without a peep out of me. Yet, others twist about and scream loudly. I don’t think there is a way to predict beforehand. The nice thing about 5-meo is a short tolerance span. You could do a trial run tonight with a smallish dose and do it again tomorrow.

@Bodhidharma I have integrated both, yet ime it takes experience and maturity. As a novice, I found it more beneficial to trip solo at home or in nature in a calm meditative setting. Tripping with others in a public recreational setting had a very different vibe. It adds variables. . . After gaining some experience, I was able to trip in a recreational setting, such as a concert, and have enjoyable and insightful/profound experiences. I’m not against recreational use of psychedelics, yet those settings add in complexities and energies that reduce the odds that the experience will have spiritual significance.

Click-baity titles that suggest recreational use of psychedelics are discouraged. These are powerful substances that should be respected and discussed on the forum as a tool within a broader spiritual framework. There are other online forums that discuss recreational uses of psychedelics, if that is your intention. If you have a genuine question regarding responsible use of 5-meo toward spiritual insights and personal development, I encourage you to ask in the 5-Meo mega thread. There are many experienced users that follow that thread and can help you.

@Epiphany_Inspired Ime, imagination can be helpful for PD and creativity. I use it daily. When I say imagination can be a distraction, I’m referring to “getting lost” in imagination. For example, on a meditation retreat the bell rings and I go into “la-la land” imagining traveling around the world and seeing beautiful landscapes and meeting various people. Then, the bell rings again and I realize I’m sitting in the meditation room and think “wow, that 40 minute session went by fast!”. I would consider that a distraction from being awareness. Just as my mind gets immersed into thinking, it can get immersed into images. Words and images can be quite similiar in my mind. There is also a mind state in which thoughts of words and images arise within awareness without attachment, identification or judgement.

I’d say it depends on the Dynamics with your friends. Are they mature beings with the genuine intention of growing spiritually? Or are they more interested in having some fun and tripping balls in nature? (Not that either is “wrong”. Yet, it will have an impact on setting and the theme of the trip)

@Rilles Close your eyes and observe your thoughts. Notice tiny gaps between thoughts. Relax and rest in those gaps. Over time, notice how those gaps become longer. Although thoughtless meditation is not a goal, when thoughtless being arises it can be like experiencing magic.