Forestluv

There is no entity to take ownership of ideas as “my opinion”. As well, objectivism is a stage orange trap. There is no external objective reality. At this level of discourse, it would be best to say there is a lot of evidence supporting a model in which liberals are at a relatively higher conscious level than conservatives. Yet one should also consider that there are multiple lines of development, such as intellectual, emotions and spiritual lines. So there are many nuances.

@Synchronicity The SD model is based on many years worth of extensive research and empirical data. It is perhaps the most well-supported and sophisticated model of consciousness evolution. I’m not aware of any other model of consciousness evolution that would put conservatives higher than liberals. It’s like saying: “In some ways, 4th grade children are more advanced than 8th grade children. And in other ways, 8th graders are more advanced”.

That is certainly true when evolving from red to blue. It is a stage blue value. I didn’t push it down to blue. I didn’t create SD. Self restraint as a value appeared with the rise of blue. At that time, it allowed evolution from stage red to stage blue . As you suggested, it helped suppress stage red egotistical needs and actions. This was critical for the rise of stage blue civilizations. Later, the call of self restraint was used to hinder progress up to Orange and Green. Lack of self restraint at Green is very very different than red lack of restraint - yet blue stage conservatives love to conflate the two. Such as portraying politicians like AOC to be scary hate-filled stage red savages.

That is Tier2 personal transcendence. Tier 1 levels are distinguished by levels of "brazen" self-conscious interest. Orange has a very low level of transcendence for that brazen conscious self-interest. Green has a partial transcendence of that brazen conscious self-interest. It is not until Tier 2 in which a high proportion of that brazen conscious self interest is transcended. Neither has transcended deep unconscious self interest. For example, Green has an understanding and embodiment of cultural relativism that Orange lacks. Yet, Green does not understand that their own perspective on cultural relativism is relative. This is a deeper level of self interest that is transcended toward Tier 2 yellow into turquoise. That depth of transcendence is a main aspect of how turquoise is more expansive than green.

That was not my point. The point is that underlying values and abilities are the criteria in SD, not how someone labels themself.

Green is still Tier 1, they have not gone trans-personal yet. If a person wanted an egalitarian society for mainly self-interest, that is Orange - not Green. An example would be someone joining a diversity committee and work because it would make them look good and help them get a promotion. The underlying individualistic motivation is Orange, not Green. Green values egalitarianism due to empathy and a sense of collective. That is Green. If you take that away, it is no longer Green.

It's not about identity. It's based on the criteria of the SD scale: Liberals are a conscious level higher. Identity has nothing to do with it. An olympic marathon runner is at a higher level than an amateur marathon runner. Their personal identities is irrelevant. The judging criteria is not based on personal identity.

That is generally considered Blue and Orange level values on the SD scale. Noticed how you wrote a "logical" tone. Logic is relatively low on the SD scale (Orange). Green can utilize logic and basic relativism. That is one reason there arguments may seem less logical. Orange uses binary and logical modes, while Green uses binary, logical and relative modes. My experience is that most conservatives are willing to agree to disagree because they sense they have an inferior position. When I was in centered in Green I had conversations with conservatives they often backed down when they realized they were in a contracted position. For conservatives, "agreeing to disagree" is often going for a draw in a contracted position. They best they can do is try to equate their contracted position to a higher level expansive position. No it's not. This expression arises because Liberals have a more expanded sense of community (collective conscious) than conservatives. The discussion is why conservatives and ranked lower on the SD scale. It has nothing to do with personal opinions. It's based on criteria of SD. And SD is not Absolute. It is a relative scale.

@Synchronicity Be mindful of the distinction between principles and personalities. Consider the collective conscious level/values of red, blue, orange and green. Which has the most expansive level of collective conscious? What is an example of "community" to a conservative and an example of "community" to a liberal? Which is more expansive? An average liberal has a more expansive sense and embodiment of community at the collective conscious level than a conservative. Similarly, consider modes of thinking. Being in green, liberals can operate in logical and a basic level of relative. Being in Blue and Orange, conservatives are contracted within binary and logical thinking - they lack understanding and embodiment of relativistic thinking - such as cultural relativism. Liberals are much better able to see other POV's and empathize with others because of this expanded consciousness. Also consider why a scientist is ranked nearly a full level lower than a hippy. . . The degree of conscious expansion is not just about intellectual ideas. . .

Helpful to me: raise the sitting position, change position, yin yoga. I used to sit through numbness and tingles, yet no more. It takes a toll on the body.

@Apparation of Jack It could be prior conditioning of taking responsibility for others’ feelings/experiences. Could be related to empathy.

@Beginner Mind Yes, I go deep enough into nature in which it’s rare to see another person. Yet, that isn’t easily accessible for everyone.

@Beginner Mind If you resonate with nature, you may want to try it there.

Knockin’ on a door to a trans-human realm. . .

@TrynaBeTurquoise For personal development, meditation, psychoanalysis, yoga and journaling.

It depends on how cannabis resonates with your mind-body at this stage in your life. It may lead to deep insights, it may lead to the giggles and munchies or it may lead to anxiety attacks. I would recommend setting an intention and combining it with meditation, self-inquiry and/or kriya/yin yoga and see how it vibrates with you. Edibles can give a quasi-psychedelic experience, so you may want to try those. As well, be mindful that cannabis can be habit forming for some people.

For the same reason your heart cells care about pumping blood to your brain cells.

This topic is outside of the forum’s discussion areas

@Aakash Love you with all my coral heart ?

@Nahm Sometimes I wish the bouncer would just kick me out ?

I scored 60% male brain on brainfall. @John Lula I’ve occasionally experienced harm anxiety. I was reluctant to tell anyone. I did some research online and the consensus in psychology is that people who experience harm anxiety are LESS likely to act on it.

I dressed in drag one halloween and looked so hot I would have shocked an old lady (not @Nahm)

@Nahm Just some imagery appearing: I like the imagery of “forgetting” and “remembering” of self. It seems the mind is conditioned to remember and maintain the self construct - as if this self construct is very important for well-being and survival. The mind “checks in” hundreds of times each day on the self. “How am I doing? Am I doing better than yesterday? Am I doing better than him? Am I improving? What if xyz happens and how would it effect me?” It seems humans have transient forgetting of self - perhaps while playing a sport or boogie boarding ocean waves. Yet then the mind remembers to “check in” again on the self “Yep, I’m still here. How is this going to affect me?”.

@mandyjw Nice imagery ? ❤️