Forestluv

Traveling can be a great way to stretch one's comfort zone. For example, one could travel and live with another culture. In general, spending time with someone that has a very different life history and perspective than I do.

I haven't heard of David Deida. Thanks for the suggestion. Your ideas got me thinking about masculine and feminine energies. One thing I've been doing lately is to watch YT videos of two people exploring an area such as "the value of neural plasticity on therapy". I'll watch the dynamics between two women interacting, a man and woman interacting, and two men interacting. Rather than focusing what they are discussing, I'll focus on how they are discussing it. There are often different gender dynamics. For example, two women interacting are often very agreeable and supportive to one another, yet sometimes have a subtle way of trying to control/steer the narrative. Men are often more debate oriented. They are often more contrarian in conversation. Each of the dynamics seem to have downsides when in excess. For example, I was watching a video of two women discussing neural plasticity and they were so agreeable with each other that the discussion seemed watered-down. Since they were so agreeable, they were missing areas of exploration. They never challenged each other. . . . On the flipside, I've noticed men often go to the other extreme being disagreeable. They have an idea they want to protect and defend. In this example, two men might adopt opposing views on neural plasticity and try to "be right". At this extreme, there is also something lost - they never really explore the issue. These of course are generalizations and not fixed. Of course a woman can be contrarian and a man can be agreeable. These are just observations I've had of common common dynamics between genders.

It sounds like you have developed healthy habits. It feels good and you desire to have those healthy habits continue, so you can continue feeling good. This desire can be a great motivator to keep the healthy habits going. It doesn't sound like it has been ingrained long enough, that it is part of your lifestyle you do automatically because it's just who you are. For example, someone may take up running and create a running schedule and goals for motivation. They may create a goal of running a marathon and have a running partner for motivation and accountability. That's great to form training habits and consistency, yet it's not quite the same as being a marathon runner that just runs automatically. It's just who they are. They know longer need extrinsic rewards. Your minds seems to go into "monkey mind" regarding your new habits. To me, it sounds like a mind that wants to get it right, to maintain what feels good and have higher consistency. The mind may also be brainstorming new healthy ideas. This is a mind with good intentions. It's not like your mind is trying to figure out how to scam people out of their money. You mention that the thoughts are too much, yet I would recognize that the thoughts are generally good-intentioned to promote a healthy life. So, I wouldn't label them as "bad" and try to get rid of them. Rather, I would acknowledge that the volume and intensity is too high. I've found it helpful to try and reduce volume of intensity of my mind. A couple years ago, I estimated that about 90% of my life was immersed in thought stories of past and future. This can have practical value in navigating through life, yet it was just too much. My mind was so focused on the destination that I felt like I was missing out on the journey. Rather than labeling past and future thoughts as "bad" and try to repress them, I tried to tone down the volume and intensity. Rather than going from 90% past/future thoughts to 0%, my goal was to go from 90% past/future thinking to 50% past/future thinking. This felt like a good balance. One thing I did was "Now workouts". Just like a weightlifting or running workout, I had "Now workouts" in which I was present with whatever was happening. If past/future thought stories took over, I would acknowledge that my mind means well, yet this is a "Now workout" - there will be plenty of time to think about past/future later. This helped settle my mind and get balance. One thing I learned is that my mind is conditioned to believe that these thought stories are necessary. My mind thinks "Without me, you won't keep it up. Without me, you will go back to being unproductive and out-of-shape". I was surprised to find out that my thinking mind contributes very little. My body does very well taking care of itself without the chatter of my mind. The body has inherent wisdom and intuition. Very little thinking is needed. Yet my mind comes along and takes all the credit. It thinks "Look how well I've done. It's a good thing you have me around". It's like after a play, someone in the audience walks upstage and takes a bow. . . In practical terms, one thing that has helped solidify habits is to form deeper roots of the habit. For example, if someone has been doing yoga for 4 months, step it. Get involved with a yoga group. Go on a yoga retreat. Perhaps become yoga certified. . . If someone is getting into marathon running, join a social group of marathon runners. Help train someone for their first marathon.

Ime, too much planning, calculating and analyzing can be a deterrent. There is a lot of magic in presence. Intuition and entering a flow state in the moment in which things are clicking. 90% of meaning and communication are not literal words - it’s tone of voice, cadence, facial expressions and body language. Plus there are energetics. If I’m in my head head calculating, I lose touch with what’s actually happening. Personally, I don’t equate confidence with getting what I want. For all I know, the woman only likes basketball players with Australian accents. Imo, being confident isn’t trying to convince her that she actually likes non-midget science geeks. Being confident wouldn’t be trying to manipulate the situation to meet my self centered needs. Rather, it would be ok with what actually is.

Just one way of framing it: You are creating linear infinity within two dimensions - the dimensions of space and time. Yet there are an infinite number of dimensions with aspects of both linear and non-linear. Infinite time = eternity = Now. Now is eternal, yet it’s hard to see because the mind is immersed within a timeline of past, present, future in one dimension. This is a video recently posted by another user. You may find it interesting.

I agree that the vast majority of humans are human-centric. Imo, this a deeper level than self-centric or ethno-centric. I don’t think the threat to humanity is systems thinking. Rather, I would say the threat to humanity is within systems thinking. It is not the system, yet is part of the system. Yellow would have a meta view to this threat to humanity. I agree that Orange is contracted within individualistic thinking. Green transcends that somewhat, and places more emphasis on collective. This collective orientation can be contracted within humanism or include non-human forms. There are many different expressions. Trans-human consciousness is not a requirement of green or yellow, although aspects of it can appear in green/yellow. Deep Trans-human embodiment is a very high conscious level at Turquoise. There are plenty of human-centric orientations with green and yellow - as well as trans-human orientations. I would say someone like AOC has more of a human-centered approach. Others are less human oriented - someone like Peter Singer or Jane Goodall. And it’s not just with climate change. Most religion/spirituality is human centric. 99% of spirituality I see is contextualized within humanness. I see many human ideas of enlightenment and human enlightened masters. Funny how all these ideas are relative to humans. Rarely do I see someone try to express insights of enlightenment they lined through their enlightened tree, butterfly, wind or river teacher. An exception would be something Ike Native American spirituality. You can contextualize the spiral like that, yet imo the standards are too high for Green. Rather than “True green”, I think you are pointing into Ter 2, especially Turquoise. And I agree that there are very very few people that have realized and embodied trans-human consciousness. I envision the future a bit different than you. Currently, I think a lot of people have a certain image of what a yellow is like and a certain image of what Turquoise looks like. Yet when someone enters Yellow and Turquoise, they may be amazed by how many different flavors of expression there is. When there are a lot of people at Yellow/Turquoise with lots of different expressions, I think a lot of different nuances and details will be revealed. Yellow/Turquoise will get updated and may get divided up into subcategories. There are few people in Tier2 conceptualizing what Yellow/Turquoise is. Look how much nuance and detail Leo has added - and that is just one person. Imagine one million Tier2 Leos working on Yellow/Turquoise constructs. We can even imagine what nuances/details will be revealed.

I also found info in the mega thread to be helpful.

It sure is a mess for the mind to figure out. . .

I’ve done San Pedro and it’s awesome for mystical experiences and insights. A smooth ride.

@wesyasz I consumed a bunch of it in South America. It’s super popular in the places I visited. I found it to be very very mild. Much milder than modafinil.

These guides might help

Two threads on a similar topic have been merged. Some seekers don’t have easy access to psychedelics and wonder about alternatives to psychedelics. This is a good thread to explore this topic.

Those are some good reasons. It’s got me thinking about trying to maintain cultural identity, which is a form of survival. As we approach the holidays, I’m seeing the “War on Christmas” perception arise agin. Mostly with people that are older. There is some resistance to inclusion and multiculturalism during the holiday’s. Some of it is a desire to preserve tradition and define America as a “Christian nation”.

@Matt23 I wonder if it might be helpful to step outside of it for a bit into something relaxing and enjoyable without pressures to make progress. Last summer, I noticed myself getting really intense and felt pressured. I decided to take a spontaneous solo trip to take a break and change the environment. I had no expectations of growing or making progress. I spent all day hiking, relaxing and sitting in nature. Things started to feel natural and spontaneous again, being now. For me, a little bit of pressure, intensity and discomfort can be good. Yet there also needs to be relaxation and enjoyment. It’s hard for me to be going with the flow of Now when I’m caught up with this, that and the other thing.

It’s not that hard. If you want it, open yourself up, put in some effort and you will find it. You will attract it and it will come to your life. One day you will realize “I can’t believe this is actually happening”. You have internet access, which is a huge resource for research. @Nahm I love that story. I can visualize it in my mind. What the cafe, server and man all looked like. Almost like I am there. I actually found myself conversing with them for a bit. You could write a wonderful book of short stories.

If this “I” is not in control, then how can I control how I think about my lack of control? The idea of personal choice has practical value in personal survival, personal development and navigating life. Yet identification to the belief keeps one contracted in self.

@Fede83 Hatha and vinyasa are physically active forms. Yin yoga holds postures/stretches for 4-8 min. Ime, this allows to go into a meditative state, yet isn’t one long static posture like traditional meditation. Kriya yoga is mostly seated and a deep form of meditation with a some focus on breathing. Kundalini yoga is focused on breathing. All forms have benefits. There are a ton of beginner videos online for each form.

@Fede83 If you like stretching, you may like yin yoga. It can be very meditative, and great for the mind and body.

I have auditory hallucinations and sleep disturbances. These are some things that have helped me: 1) Create a consistent sleep schedule. 2) Make your room dark, 3) Exercise a couple hours before going to bed 4) a non-addictive sleep aid like melatonin or valarian before bed, 5) something relaxing like meditation or restorative yoga prior to bed, 6) No screen time an hour before bed., 7) change my relationship with the hallucinations, such that they are no longer bothersome (EMDR can help), 8) stop engaging and reinforcing the story 9) let go of the attachment to what I think was the cause.

@Mihajlo Toviovic @Bobana Please don’t post in a foreign language. The rest of the forum community doesn’t understand. If you would like to have a conversation in a foreign language, feel free to do so via the pm system.

I find it interesting that this was a green-level idea of communal workspaces by hippyish founders. Yet turned into corrosive Orange management.

I may have misinterpreted the context of your questions above. . . I think most of your questions boil down to free will, determinism and an external god. For example “If god could eliminate suffering yet doesn’t, he is either unable to stop suffering (determinism) or is able to stop suffering yet chooses to experience suffering (free will).“

From a human perspective, it’s beautiful to have a world in which no human suffers. When you say perfect health for “all our creation”, you are picking and choosing who gets perfect health. Does the smallpox virus gets perfect health? How about ax murderers? What mosquitoes that carry malaria? Does malaria get perfect health too? It like you are trying to go transcendent, yet unwilling to surrender identity. For example, imagine a white supremicist asking “If I was the world ruler of humankind, could I end all disease and homelessness for white people? CouldI I kill off all non-white people and give all their wealth to white people so white people can have perfect health and prosperity?”. . . From the perspective of a white supremicist, this isn’t weird at all. From his perspective it is beautiful and loving. Yet the point he is missing is that to the rule of humankind is transcendent to human ethnicity. He no longer gets to say whites are good and non-whites are bad. From this transcendent perspective, he no longer identifies as white and he loves all ethnicities. Similarly, god is transcendent to human. From a trans-human view, there is love for all biological entities. Humans, cats, trees, bacteria, viruses, parasites, flies etc. It’s fine to have a human-centric view. Yet the questions you were asking of god is at a trans-human perspective. This includes love for humans as well as love for all non-human entities as well. And cancer isn’t a parasite. Cancer is one’s own cells. And nothing existed before it existed. This is through the lens of a human. God is transcendent to that. Imagine a sick person that takes antibiotics. . . is god wanting to experience the death of the bacteria? The reason you care so much about human welfare is because you identify as human. From a human perspective, that is beautiful, yet you are asking questions of a trans-human perspective in which humans don’t call the shots anymore. If you want to help humans, that’s awesome. Go into medicine or Reiki.

I think these are super interesting areas and I've tried to explore. . . . Reiki masters are engaged in this area. Trying to manipulate energetics to heal. I've had some transient experiences in which higher potential/power is revealed. As humans, we have certain limitations, yet I think humans limit themselves and are nowhere near human potential. In the bigger picture, your questions have a framework of "If one is god, could they help humans?". This is a component, yet it is still contracted. Notice how everything you ask is still within a human perspective. It is still seeing through a human lens. It is concerned about fellow humans and sees things like illness and homelessness as bad. In particular, illness in one's own family. Yet at trans-personal and trans-human levels, there is no longer a "me", there is no longer a "human". There is everything/nothing. Human homelessness is no more significant than a community of ants in a rainstorm in Madagascar. At a trans-human level, humans are no longer priority - that is a human-centric view. Notice how you are essentially asking "As god, could I cure cancer in someone?". Yet as god, you are also that cancer. That cancer is being exposed to chemicals and radiation that want to kill it. That cancer is struggling to survive. As god, why aren't you concerned about helping and healing the cancer.? As god, why wouldn't you disable the doctors and drugs to save the struggling cancer so it can thrive in the human? As god, why don't you want manipulate the cancer so it can spread throughout the human community to form a healthy collective cancer? At the human level, we see someone with cancer and feel for them. We want to help our fellow humans. That is beautiful and loving . . . . from a human perspective.

@WHO IS Sex is fundamental to human survival, so it will be fundamental to personal identity. It is a great way for people to manipulate each other for self-centered desires. Whether someone like peanuts more than walnuts is not going to have much "umpf" in terms of personality, energetics and manipulation because peanut/walnut preference has no relevance to survival and personal identity. If someone tried to shame another for eating peanuts rather than walnuts, it just wouldn't be effective. Unless a culture was able to establish that peanut/walnut preference is fundamental to survival and personal worth. Yet that is a long put. Humans have already evolved to have sex be a fundamental component of survival, desire and personal identity. The stage is already set. . . I grew up in a fundamental catholic environment and they were masters at using sex and guilt to manipulate and control. And sex is used for manipulation in many contexts, not just shaming. E.g. Marketers use sex to manipulate consumers for profits.