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just do it, its not that big a deal. I found normal dmt far more intense than 5-meo-dmt. dmt was the first psychedelic i done and i found it abit traumatic at the time, but had good long term effects.

@Mat Pav about a year ago i was reading a direct pointing book and had a sudden realization that the self was a concept, there is no controller of thoughts and the body, and there is no experiencer just experience. it didnt seem like i done anything to make it happen it just seemed to happen before i knew what was going on. overtime as i see no me again and again the experience of no controller and no experiencer is becoming more apparent. I have not had this self realization experience you talk about of getting a sense of what i am, the nothingness.

and then you have people like Eckhart tolle who ask one question '' I cant live with myself, who is the one I cant live with '' and become enlightened. and others like nisargadatta maharaj and shinzen young who do it in 3 ~ 4 years. its not one size fits all, seems some people are more prone to it than others.

@Azrael when you say there is nothing you can do or can not do to become enlightened, do you mean cos there is know one here to do anything or become enlightened, or that it doesnt matter if practice takes place or not enlightenment is just as likely to happen either way.

alot of enlightened people i have heard have said the most important factor to becoming enlightened is how much you want it, it needs to be your number 1 priority. timescale is hard to say, but from what i have heard if your going an hour a day of work, i would say maybe 10 years.

seen this on another forum, been working with it for about a month, found it great for removing labels from experience, quieting the mind, questioning beliefs. Please touch now the seeming ‘laptop’ with the seeming ‘hand’ And pay attention only to the sensation which is labelled by thought “touching the laptop, it’s hard”. Please look each and every question very-very thoroughly. Look each question one-by-one. Don’t rush. Take your time. How many sensations are there? Are there a sensation ‘of hand’ and another sensation ‘touching’ and another sensation ‘of hard’? Where is the dividing line between the sensation ‘of hand’ and the sensation ‘of touching’? Where is the dividing line between the sensation ‘of touching’ and the sensation ‘of hard’? Where is the dividing line between the sensation ‘of hand’ and the sensation ‘of hard’? Staying with the sensation only, does the sensation itself suggest in any way that there is a ‘HAND’ doing the touching? Staying with the sensation only, does the sensation itself suggest in any way that there is a ‘LAPTOP’ being touched? Staying with the sensation only, does the sensation itself suggest in any way that ‘it is hard’ or ‘there is HARDNESS’? Staying with the sensation only, does the sensation itself suggest in any way that there is a ‘TOUCHER’ (a subject doing the touching)? Staying with the sensation only, does the sensation itself suggest in any way that there is a ‘TOUCHED’ (an object being touched)? Staying with the sensation only, does the sensation itself suggest in any way that there is the ‘ACTION of TOUCHING’? Or is there ONLY a SENSATION with NO attributes or characteristics whatsoever? What is it that is saying or suggesting all the above? HOW is it known EXACTLY that a sensation is coming from a physical object? Does the sensation says or suggest in any way that it’s coming from a physical object? Please ‘look at’ the seeming ‘laptop’ while the seeming ‘hands touching it’ (By the way, do you see the joke here? And pay attention only to the IMAGE which is labelled by thought “touching the laptop, it’s hard”. Please look each and every question very-very thoroughly. Look each question one-by-one. Don’t rush. Take your time. Staying with the IMAGE only, does the image itself suggest in any way that there is a ‘HAND’ doing the touching? Staying with the IMAGE only, does the image itself suggest in any way that there is a ‘LAPTOP’ being touched? Staying with the image only, does the image itself suggest in any way that ‘it is hard’ or ‘there is HARDNESS’? Staying with the image only, does the image itself suggest in any way that there is a ‘TOUCHER’ (a subject doing the touching)? Staying with the image only, does the image itself suggest in any way that there is a ‘TOUCHED’ (an object being touched)? Does the image suggest in any way that there is a HAND? Does the image suggest in any way that there is a LAPTOP? Staying with the image only, does the image itself suggest in any way that there is the ‘ACTION of TOUCHING’? Does the image itself suggest in any way that there is ‘hardness’? Does the image itself suggest in any way that the sensation is localised in ONE PART of the image, labelled that part by thought ‘hand’? Does the image have parts? Like one part being a ‘hand’ and another part ‘laptop’? If yes, how is this known? Does an IMAGE have any attributes or characteristics whatsoever? Does the image itself, convey any sort of information? Anything? “It is a mental interpretation FROM the visual information and sensation…” – FROM??? So you say that there is such thing as ‘visual information’? What is ‘visual information’ exactly? Where is the ‘visual information’ EXACTLY? Where exactly that information is STORED IN? In the image? If yes, please show the exact location where the information is stored in the image. Where is the it?

the first 2 things that came to mind when i seen no self was '' i cant believe how simply this is '' and '' this is the way it has always been, i just never seen it ''

mindfulness is witnessing what is happening rather than being caught up in it. like watching thoughts and not becoming lost them them, or just being mindful of the body when its moving. awareness is knowing, its the knowing that knows experience. you feel a sensation there is awareness of it, same with sound or anything that is experienced. awareness/knowing/experience all the same ''thing''. the trick with awareness is people perceive there to be the world and there is awareness of it, but there is just awareness, the world is made of awareness, the world is made of the knowing or experience of it.

the content of any thought is an illusion !!! what is your experience of age, how do you know you or others are a certain age?

@All_Around_Me what exactly is this seeing you had? describe it !!!

it arrvies by itself because there is no you to seek or become awake, even though it seems like there is. if seeking happens its just the shape experience takes, if awakening happens its just the shape experience takes.

what do you mean when you say you are nothing an nothing exists? there can be no doubt that the current experience exists !! and you are it, all of it, so the theory goes.

hes my favorite teacher

for me the no free will experience is there is a witnessing of everything happening with nobody doing it, similar to being mindful but more obvious. sensations are free floating not belonging to anyone, when i speak its just happening in mid air with nothing behind it. to have a no free will experience you need to see through the illusion of self (separate entity that controls thoughts and the body), and the way to see through it is to look for it.

its not about accepting it, accepting it would be a believe, then you are just replacing one believe with another. you need to look in your experience for the one who has free will, eventually you will have an awakening and see there is no separate controller and you wont need to beleive it, it will be self evident.

have you read spiritual enlightenment the damndest thing, and if so how would it compare to the books above. il probly read it next.

very good book, worth reading. @Sri McDonald Trump Maharaj how is "Pursuing Consciousness" and how does it differ to the book of not knowing

I would imagine I thinks its a body becuase of genetics and conditioning. In the theory of enlightenment, there are no objects, just self aware experience

it helps to realise that there is really no one seeking and no seeking. what you call you seeking is just experience as you seeking, you seeking is just the shape experience takes. you cant wake up, if waking up happens its just the shape experience takes. in your inquiry you need to look for whats true, the problem is the ego often wants answers to comfort it.

this is going along the lines of there is no unknown experience, or no unexperienced experience. no unsmelled smell or unheard sound etc. you know everything there is to know, cos unknown knowing cant exist. apparently this is the biggest illusion to see through towards enlightenment so im told.

had an initial seeing 3 months ago. i have made alot of progress the last month, i have been looking at and contemplating my experience intensely. lately it seems like thought, labels, language are just pointless, they dont point to anything in reality and have no real meaning. i have had some slight fear, anxiety, depression when i have seen clearly there is nobody here, nothing that intense.

Anybody know of any direct pointing books or resources? im already aware of gateless gatecrashers, liberation unleashed, the book of undoing and awaken now.

when i read or look at new stuff, or old stuff asked in a different way, it seems to bring more progress than going over old stuff

it has worked, and is helping at the moment. most effective method iv tried.

so experience is self aware so im told, can someone explain how this is the case, i cant quite wrap my head around it.