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I hear you brother, 5 years to finishing understanding that.

This will be a fun little topic, but don't forget what it's meant here. I have been discussing ovwer 90 hours in my life time about non-duality with people who just need a light to see it. Serious stuff. Psychologists , philosophers, historians can't get their mind around it. What do you say we bring together some of the best resposes to it? Reminder: Don't judge people below you and don't make this topic an excuse from the real interal work.

It took me years (3-4) of training to get to the point where meditation is not a choir. I've used several methods because it was almost impossible to silence my mind. The helpful one's: Guided meditations, Music meditations, walking meditations. Nowadays I do these just for fun, whereas my biggest accomplishments come from straight silent hours. It takes time and patience, but most of all it takes commitment. It is important to notice how everyone gets attuned to meditation differently. Some of us have jobs or careers that get us stimulated/thinking all the time. That was the case for me, for sure. When you're not meditating for the sake of just finishing your daily routines, that's when it becomes easy to silence your mind in my experience. Be specific about 'why' you're doing it. Take your time, be patient, don't give up.

I have been using Kundalini Yoga methods for a couple of years now. This is definitely true. It can grow you spiritually almost as as fast as it can backfire.

Got it Leo @Leo Gura. There are many things that could be said. But got it. This is perhaps the best advice yet. As long as I see myself as other, I will judge and I will need to manipulate. When I see it, it becomes unneccessary. I cannot half-ass reality. I have to go all in to surrender myself. I cannot care/love the experience if I don't accept it. I have to let go of manipulating entirely to progress. Thanks. This really reminds of the Radical implications of reality episode. there's no way to progress from here mantaining my way of seeing two.

I really hope that Leo makes an episode just entirely about this. Please let him know too if you feel the same. The more I grow, The more I seek enlightenment is really the more I get humble, mesmerized and at one with infinity. I see people clear as water now. Of course, I have much to learn still, but this is really becoming a theme. The more people grow, the more they are able to surrender into self-bias and fake reality.

Having known and encontered many dragons on this jorney, I feel that just surrending deeply doesn't solve it. It's always there. This work is so deep it changes you, it humbles you, it turns you out. How do does one stop manipulating? How does one stop this process?

But Leo @Leo Gura Is that really fear? Is manupulation really done out of fear? This question sounds simple but it isn't. You must know hundreds if not thousands of people that manipulate as soon as they grow. I'm trying to move forward.

Chim...

What is the sound of one hand clapping?

Good morning, folks. It's been a while since I log here I'm moving into stage Green which has been an surprise for me. Let me distill down some of the misconceptions I've learned the hard way. Before I begin, I'd appreciate it if you can give me some of your feedback on how to move up on this model. Spiral Dynamics has been one of my major tools for spirituality a-side from daily meditation practice , Yoga & just dealing with the self (If you're there, you know what I mean). Green stage holds - No love as a form of misunderstanding - Going psychedelics-full as a form of S.A. work - Self-inquiry as taking to the point where every one is an equal and deserve the same rights as you. - Family and friends are always welcomed to make mistakes, so judgements won't help you - Philosophy is taken to be a right to everyone, just as love for misunderstanding. So. Am I transitioning to Grave's Green? Thanks in advance.

For fans of the Pareidolia effect: The interesting thing is that no matter how cool the video seems, we do this on a Daily bases. Here's a cool report for lucid dreaming which has everything to do with it: https://steemit.com/blog/@adrianachenille/hypnagogic-and-hypnopompic-hallucinations-my-experience Keep an open-mind to understand this. In Leo's voice: "We are doing something very different here with Actualized.org..."

Personal experience is a thought story. But you must understand that there's nothing wrong with that. This is kind of a enlightenment in itself. You can become at peace with your experience when you have a personal experience with it. But you do not existed. Never have, never will be. Wheneven I'm in doubt, I remember it's all pointless. But it's also the coolest, deepest thing a human been can ever see. We can't be both spiritual and ungrateful. "In the time of your life, live—so that in that good time there shall be no ugliness or death for yourself or for any life your life touches. Seek goodness everywhere, and when it is found, bring it out of the hiding place and let it be free and unashamed Place in matter and in flesh the least of the values, for these are the things that hold death and must pass away. Discover in all things that which shines and is beyond corruption. Encourage virtue in whatever heart it may have been driven into secrecy and sorrow by the shame and terror of the world. Ignore the obvious, for it is unworthy of the clear eye and the kindly heart Be the inferior of no man, nor of any men be superior. Remember that every man is a variation of yourself. No man's guilt is not yours, nor is any man's innocence a thing apart. Despise evil and ungodliness, but not men of ungodliness or evil. These, understand. Have no shame in being kindly and gentle but if the time comes in the time of your life to kill, kill and have no regret In the time of your life, live—so that in that wondrous time you shall not add to the misery and sorrow of the world, but shall smile to the infinite delight and mystery of it." ― William Saroyan, The Time Of Your Life"

@Leightonm I apologize if it sounded that I know more than I do,

Hi guys, this topic is from a while back. But there's some stuff I want to discuss on and if any of you have some advice (in pratice, in action steps that might would help), I'd really appreciate it. Still having some huge ego backlashes which are colliding with one another and making me very confused. Sometimes it seems like I'm progressing very fast and there's no come back from that - sometimes I can't believe how drastic I can become uncconcious on this path. Here's the stuff I've been doing consistently or daily: - Meditation - Strong determination sitting - Yoga - Reading - Journaling - Clean eating - Self-inqury Dark side: - Sometimes an insight so deep, it's almost hard to come back and do anything anymore. - Behaviour changes between weeks - Meditate for weeks creates a hugh backlash arising - Nightmares (very strong and lucid ones). This is not intended to be a silly ramble. Any practice and guidance you folks can give me with this can and will be put into pratice. I already have a topic called the Dark side of meditation, but thought this should be more helpful in another one. Thanks in advance.

Update: I have been practicing a lot & things have improved. You guys were very right, I have to stay and the path, and it can happen again. But it's great. To me, having patience and not being easy on this process is a whole new challange. I never faced this in my life. It's also beautiful and fun. Still learning a lot. Thank you @Nahm for the advice. What I learned since then: - That reality can't be fucked up or weird is a wrong expectation (it is also beautiful because of that). - Life purpose will really work on the face of fear, as in continuing praticing yoga and meditation as you face chalenges in your work. - I understand these two years of knowing this channel are just the beginning. It's one thing to say it and another thing to do it. Understand real growth will not come from the desire to grow alone, but acceptance and understanding. Especially of your true self. - Patience is a growing skill that can lead to danger. Do self-actualization for a greater love will correct your patience levels.

@Daisydaisy That's right, mostly what I have been avoiding away. I will keep that in mind, as I countinue on. Thank you

Thanks for your kind reply. I will try and apply it. About the trips, I have been studying it and strategizing to take more trips & planning it for the following year. Don't want to put it too much ahead but don't want to hush it too much eather. I took one And yes, I agree. As an artist, if I'm one at all, I should be more patient and kind at myself as I follow through. I really don't.

@F A B Not at all. Is actually very helpful. I did that a lot when I was younger, because it teaches you how to notice humour around. definitely go for it if you can mantain

@Nahm It's hard, But doable. Metaphor understood. Just one question - about the hay stack & esoteric. I think this is too direct of a path. Most people don't go for it. As an artist and non-writer on the subject, mostly keeping journals to myself and doing healing yoga and shadow work, do you think is helpful to do more of it or expect some dark side from it, too much, too fast?

@Nahm Thanks. I don't have your knowledge, nowhere near. But I loved your message and am committed. (-:

@Krishna Siva Meditation is like this. I've come to a point where is really hard to silence to mind after a long period of being good at it. The mind is always thinking The best lession you can have is accepting it. And it is hard. Expect everything like that and more. Than you'll move on