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Though Wilber isn’t addressing this directly, the beginning of this very much covers the overarching narrative and also problem I see people falling into where people want to use the sprial dynamics and states and stages as a way to create this cartoon character of a perfect human being which I see a lot of people really falling into. Particularly when I see people listening to TJ Reeves and falling into this mental masterbation of Coral and beyond and how they want to embody the entire Spiral and they want to turn themselves into some fantasy of the perfect human being whose Turquoise say all across the various lines of development and states and stages. Don’t use sprial dynamics as a form of perfectionism! It’s a model and only a model. Cover your bases, clean up your shadow, stick to your strengths and do the best you can.

Where the fuck do you see me worshipping Ken Wilber? Cut your projections and assumptions. I’m sharing a video that is based around a critical point that Wilber is making. Keep your comments onto the subject being posted about. I don’t worship anyone.

Every famous legend of enlightened person was strategic. It took strategic thinking for Patanjali to see how Yoga was becoming this overly nuanced thing and then distilled yoga down into the 100+ yoga sutras to ground people. The story of Christ shows a man who is almost like a scientist doing trial and error, seeing what ways he could lead people to the realization of God. Through speaking through parables, healings, etc. that’s strategic thinking. Highly developed sages of today have to be extremely strategic and be very well aware of how systems work. A good example is Shunyamurti and Ken Wilber. Understanding that healthy spiritual development demands healthy ego development and healing and they have to be extremely strategic on how they go about doing that with people. It took Om Swami extreme dedication of strategic thinking and commitment to his highest strategic intent to say at 20 years old that his going to put a 10 year cap to his business life and then renounce it at all... while making $250k p/year... AT 20! Can you imagine going from nothing to rich in 2 years through staggering hard work as an immigrant and then have enough clarity on what you want to wait 10 years only to then give it up? Think about that. You’re making that much money as a result of all your hard work, you know you’re going to renounce, but you wait 10 years. And during that time you do what you need to do and not being impatiently neurotic individual, progressively building your capital and also your practice.

I'm not attracting teachers. I'm actually out there looking for them. You need to be going to them. Period. Research, Google, email, websites, etc. There's no magic Law of Attraction secret.

@MsNobody wow I got to save these on my computer for my vision board! Thanks @thehero Make sure you NEVER ask an artist that LOL

Is evolution just God trying to becoming more and more conscious of itself?

- a quote by the ego

No it's actually on you. Nobody needs to prove a damn thing to you. Your arrogance shows close-mindedness.

It's more of a pattern I seem to be noticing. Look at the patterns if you look at Ken Wilber's work, Graves, Kohlberg, etc. and how perspective evolves into a bigger and bigger more all inclusive unified perspective. How perspective becomes more and more transcendental and nondual/one. Also when you start to ask and wonder "why has spirituality been around as long as it has? what is this need trying to accomplish?" I mean, spirituality, if we talk about in "supply and demand vernacular" is the 1 domain that will never "go out of business". This is a need that will never die for humans. Why? Why is this need and yearning to wake up there? Because all these needs and values seeming to be leading towards something. Why? The thing I'm stumped on is that this only seems like a human thing.

And also that "other guy" can also be yourself. People who neurotically compete with some illusory 3rd person fantasy of themselves. "No that's not my best! THIS is my best!"

You’ve gotta reach out to them and you’ve gotta do the homework. You gotta take the initiative to find them. I’ve mentioned in the past emailing Ralston, Shunyamurti, and these kinda people and how they want to help but you gotta do the research. It really isn’t that hard. It’s not that complicated. Is there a Turquoise/Yellow person you admire? If so, research them. How can you contact them? Do they have a website? Do they host events in your area? Do they have an organization who you can call and ask questions if it’s a bigger name person? This isn’t rocket science. Just don’t go around being needy and asking them to be your mentor or something. I even gave ideas on how to contact these kinds of people in prior posts which you seem to have read. Follow that man. It’s not hard. “If you want to know how not to get a mentor, ask someone to be your mentor.” - Ryan Holiday

I’ve had several people tell me that I’d like Tool but I’ve yet to listen to them. Good track from them that you recommend I start with?

This is fascinating but I swear to god I'm shedding tears of laughter from 1:50 (THE LOOK!)

Right now I'm trying to articulate my domain of mastery however I'm pretty much stuck at 2 different domains of mastery: Consciousness/Enlightenment Work & Running I want to pursue both full on. At the end of the day I miss running but I want to mastery this domain called consciousness work by the time I die more than running but I also want to master running too and I don't think these things have to conflict with each other. I mean, Ralston (who, yes he may be an outlier I guess) pursued both Truth/Consciousness/Enlightenment & Martial Arts relentlessly hard. Is this okay?

Alex Grey is Ana AMAZING Turquoise artist.

A key thing to notice in this interview, especially if you watch it in video format and not just listen - notice how, despite calling out dogmatic atheists and materialists, he’s totally calm. There’s no visceral emotional judgment or animosity when calling these people out. A great display of a Yellow/Turquoise scientist!

A great interview with a great, creative, and open minded scientist debunking materialism and talking the implications of quantum mechanics, morphogenetic fields, and why people involved in spirituality should be concerned about all this.

Awesome! I can only imagine a bunch of alpha dudes doing this in one studio. I feel like it would be this weird combination of male posturing and downright closed awkwardness. Great test for man to really see how genuine and comfortable he is with his whole masculinity

https://integrallife.com/the-3-2-1-shadow-process/

It's not. They're walking. They're not running. Their pursuit is solely enlightenment oriented. There's no real fitness goal or objective or mastery per say.

A GREAT explanation of the modern ego structure and why pursuing enlightenment is so much more of a messy task than it was in several hundreds of years ago and thousands of years ago: This is critical. This is why personal development and different forms of psychology are really necessary for a lot of people who pursue enlightenment. They have such a messed up ego structure that they really can't pursue enlightenment effectively. Which is why you see Ken Wilber stress "Cleaning Up" & "Growing Up" as necessary processes that needs to be used in conjunction with "Waking Up". Or what Shunyamurti would just call healing through his system of what he calls "Atmanology".

Yeah I guess we're all on the same page. Good example @outlandish, Yellow creates advanced AI for "noble" purposes and to solve different systemic issues and epidemics in the world and Orange would rather just market the shit out of it and manipulate AI to maximize profits.

Depends. I think this 1000 things is really wonky. This kid seems legit though (he's now like 28 years old) also has killed people with his organization. He seems enlightened as fuck but you can be enlightened as fuck and still be low in other lines of development (as mentioned in Leo's latest video on the nuances of Spiral Dynamics). I saw this video a few months ago and did some more research on him and he seems legit as far as awakening but is missing moral development, low on the Spiral, etc. with all of his cronies and what not

Watch Leo’s episode on loneliness. Really sit with this fear. Don’t just listen to people telling you ‘the fear is an illusion.’ I invite you to disregard all that and really sit with that fear and investigate it. Why do you fear being alone? Is being alone really a factor that contribute to unhappiness? Why do you not like being alone? Could it be because deep down you don’t accept yourself and so you project your need for self acceptance into an illusory need for something external? Could it be that this need for a partner is just cultural programming? Sit down with it and get to the bottom line and then see it for what is and then work on dropping it. Use this to also get that you’re generating this fear along with all other fears. Get that fear is something g you’re doing. I can’t tell you how to do that just like someone can’t tell you how to get enlightened. Just do it.

Christmas is coming up and I’m planning on moving out now from home living with my dad and he and I don’t really have a relationship anymore and I know and can see everyday how much all of his problems and suffering is caused because he’s so “rationally minded” and considers himself a skeptic but really he’s a perfect description of what @Leo Gura accurately calls as a false skeptic in a very dogmatic way where he prides himself on being “honest” but he doesn’t see how he’s so resistant and manipulative and so on. Despite all this though, I do want to help in some sort of way if it’s even possible. I’m already so close to when I leave cutting ties with him which would mean I will have cut all ties with my immediate family except for maybe my little brother. As much as I am anger and extremely bitter deep down for being like “I thought you were right (about atheism, philosophy, etc.) all these decades,” and now that I see through the sham of the ego and all these dysfunctional patterns and that my parents weren’t that much more functional internally and deluded than anyone else, I do want, if it’s even possible to give at least my Dad a Christmas present of some sort of book that talks about enlightenment or at least gets him started to consider meditation. So if you had to recommend 1 book for a person like this, what would it be? I also have the booklist so I could on there too but I wanted to get a 3rd party take on this. I mean, he thinks meditation really should just be for stressed out CEOs. If you talk to him about questions like Free vs. Determinism he gets very dogmatic defending free will by using the whole ‘this whole debate just is an ideology for lazy people to accept there’s no free will so they don’t do anything. People are in charge of their decisions. You saying free will is an illusion is just bullshit people say to sound wise and smart. I have the choice to work my ass off and do good and not do bad’ He’s very much into debating and what not. I know this is probably a stretch but I thought I’d at least ask...