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@Andreas whose the one coming up with all this stuff? There are no moral obligations as far as reality is concerned. Yeah we need to create rules because that’s what’s entailed as far as having a society goes but creating those consciously, understanding that there’s nothing inherent in those laws and rules will be far more effective because the we can change them (not to suggest that that’s some simple snap of the fingers process) rather than be rigid and dogmatic over our rules. Blue’s moralization is mind control. It’s stunts the person’s ability to think for themselves. There’s nothing true (entirely) about ‘this thing here is inherently and existentially sad’. I’m not defending people who beat their kids. That happened to my mom and yeah the psychological trauma that can leave on a person can be enormous but that doesn’t discount the fact of the matter. Rigid rules stunt without questioning stunts growth. Greater and more accepting consciousness of what’s true leads to greater and greater growth because it’s based off of what’s true. Don’t like that? Good. That’s where you need to work. And to add on to what @Serotoninluv is saying on your conditional compassion for abused children... do you not see that your still making this rigid distinction of “adult” and “child”? What are most adults but mere children acting out a more calcified version of their inner child and finding all sorts of ways to act out and repress that inner child from ever coming to surface and into their awareness. Now you have this rigid rule between adult and child where what the child has gone through is all sad and you pity him but then his needs were never met and now you throw on this additional moralization that causes more acting out and suppression of what’s really there. Or another way of putting it, suppressing what’s really true for them in their experience underneath all the shit they’ve been conditioned with.

You are free to do whatever you want. If you want to act unconsciously, you can because you already do (I don’t mean you specifically per say). The sooner you see the truth in that the sooner you’ll actually be able to stop that behavior and you won’t need some stupid rule to not hit your children which just suppresses that desire more and more which will eventually a greater uproar in that area and/or others. Truly moral and ethical people don’t need a stupid rule not to hit their kids the same way a healthy person doesn’t need a rule to not smoke cigarettes.

Whatever you resist persists. How has that whole fighting for world order gone so far? The world is PERFECT as it is whether and CANNOT be other than what it is right now regardless of whether or joy you and/or the majority of the human race whom are stuck in their mayopia care to agree with that truth or not. It may suit your own imaginary ideals but those are nonetheless your own imaginary ideals. What your calling “ethical” are a set of criteria that are based off of your own needs and values... in othe words, your ego. They are arbitrary and are relative and it would be useful if you sat down and contemplated what “ethics” are, how they came into existence, how they came to pass, and what was the purpose for that relative distinction that brought it into being to begin with. I don’t like terrorist attacks as much as the next guy but that doesn’t diminish the truth of how that is part of the greater cosmic perfection. You can “oppose” the behavior because that behavior is driven off of lower consciousness and living in falsehood (with some partial truth) and “combat” it with that in mind. Im not saying stop all war and pursue blind peace on earth.

How is this thread still a thing? Lol Good god get over your egoic hangups of how you think enlightened people should be this perfect person. These are all projections.

You’re seem to be attached to this black and white 100% accuracy but. Of course it’s not 100% accurate but that doesn’t dismiss it at all. There’s still great usefulness. If a guru whose clairvoyant who makes a prediction that still has some vagueness that comes to fruition, is that to be dismissed? I’m not that deep into the metaphysics and epistimology of science as I’m not that involved in what goes in within the domain of science that deeply so I don’t want to go further into examples of black holes and what not because that’s not a domain I’m that familiar with. So that’s what I’ll say as far as that.

He (supposedly) has... 240 nuns praying for him 4 times per day every single day 20 brothers 10-12 priests Just so he “blow past Mars and purgatory on a rocket ship” past Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos to heaven... This was a test of me getting triggered by Orange/Blue... I failed lol I can’t do this guy ?

Sure but what I think is worth taking into consideration when creating new models is the following question: how will this new model and paradigm become limiting down the road? Its usually a useful tool for those that have become aware - which you and I are on the same page on. The problem is when that model becomes distributed to the masses. And by model I mean new systems, processes, etc. Again, you and I don’t disagree. I’m just saying this is an issue that I see is very overlooked and often not brought into questioning. A lot of people then take on and adopt these new practices, systems, concepts, worldviews, etc. just inherently and then eventually the understanding becomes diluted over time.

I would like to counter this point. I would not make the case that we are more aware of the mechanics. This goes back to not knowing and getting lost in concepts. The concepts are useful and amazing as they (the ones who created these concepts and conceptual systems) present new distinctions as possibilities that we can explore and discover in our own direct experience and thus create new states of mind. However, we are not intrinsically more aware of what they concept is pointing to as the realm experience, distinctions, and state of mind. These concepts tend to (like cultures) have a golden age period and then start to deteriorate. You can see this in paradigms that “hang around” for one too many top generations in things like athletics. Athletics is a great domain to study how models are used, how they work, how they don’t work, how they get taken for granted over time, etc. A model is useful when you have the experience or state of mind that you’re looking for. But I would flat out disagree that models make us more aware of the “mechanics” to reality. This is false in fields like science, music, spirituality, athletics, etc. because as the quote goes, “the map is not the territory” and man were in an age that has a chronic addiction to maps and it’s hard to unwire. It’s hard to really unlearn this habit of trying to learn and be aware of reality through concepts. You can have a few enlightenment experiences but man you have not escaped this habit. However... certain models help add perspective and potentially add openness to one’s worldview of what is possible and so forth and that’s very useful.

Now this I need to contemplate! Thanks for this! Got to log this question!

Can’t tell you how much I think about this. Especially with technological advancement, I think where a lot of people get stuck is idolizing the past and not envision what’s possible with nonduality with things like AI and what not and also modern day chemistry (psychedelics). We need to stay current and keep our vision in line with what’s unfolding in all the other domains. However, like any model, it will not be universal for all people... as far as I can conceive. At the end of the day, everybody is unique in their strengths, talents, cognitive weaknesses, brain chemistry, personality types, (social) conditioning and indoctrination, (mental) health issues, etc. I think the search for an ultimate integral process (and I distinguish that different than model - even though I think models will still collapse if we take it to this degree) will fall apart if we’re honest in the needs of every individual which I think can’t be avoided in a consensus for a new integral spiritual process that merges science and spirituality.

The same reason you wash your hands after wiping your ass after taking a shit... because that’s the time to do it. Why? Take the practice where it’s supposed to go and only from that place can you “look back” and study the system that is Kriya Yoga in why and how it works the way it works. You can’t learn the full function of the rules, principles, and practice until you yourself have already mastered it. Why? Because that’s the way it works

I’ve been doing a lot of self-observation these last few weeks and what I’m really confused with is where to take this next. I’m starting to get to the point where I’m much more mindful of my egoic reactions but I don’t know how to properly relate to them and be authentic. So for example, I’ll be walking and maybe I trip up over something, I’ll notice a sensation of embarrassment in my chest and will notice I’ll have a self-concern if anybody was nearby to see if I looked stupid and in case anyone laughed or is judging me. I’ll be conscious of that reaction. I’ll notice where my mind goes and so on. However, I don’t really know how truly be honest and authentic when these things start to arise such that I can start to breakdown these patterns, my fixed sense of self, my fixed self-image, manipulation etc. Dropping these tendencies of mind/self are very confusing because I’m watching and observing myself but I don’t know where to take this. I am noticing there a greater need to be honest though which is becoming very apparent. The more I observe myself the more I realize just the magnitude of which I’m exaggerate, lie, withold, am phony, etc. to the point where that need is starting to become apparent even in my dreams. What are some good principles to empower this? I’m using a very specific day-day example intentionally because it’s the simple day-day stuff where the progress and momentum is made and that’s also where I get unclear.

2nd Tier relationships! Nice!!

Great talk on ego development, combining spirituality and psychotherapy as one unitary Integral process, and how ego development and spiritual development are really the same. Great stuff. Give a listen

How insecure are you that you’re trying to trash my mental health lol? All that you’re showing at this point is your own insecurity, ignorance, and self bias. Fortunately I’ve had to develop thicker skin over my years to understand and deal with ignorance like this from other people so I don’t take too much by it. All that you’re doing is projecting stuff that has everything to do with you and nothing to do with me. Let me make this clear... I was shutting up your arrogant dogma on the subject. I was belittling your behavior and attitude. Not you. I don’t know you. I know nothing about you and you know nothing about me, Ken Wilber, Leo, @zambize, and anybody else you’ve never met in your life. If you haven’t met them, you don’t know and it’s as simple as that. I don’t know how many more times I need to say this. You want to make remarks about my mental health, go ahead dude lol. I really don’t care. I also have been suicidal plenty of times. Have at that if you want lol. I’m tired of getting your notifications. People on here are finding the vide I posted insightful except you. That’s fine. You have your opinion. You have your opinion. Cool. I’m point out a dogmatic attitude and I don’t really play coy with that. I’m not perfect. I have a lot of issues that I’ve shared in other posts. I’m vulnerable on here. Where’s your humility? I never made any personal attacks on you. If you think me calling out your dogmas and arrogance as a personal attack on you, that just shows how attached you are to your own stories, opinions, paradigms, and dogmas. You are not your ideas, beliefs, opinions, etc. So me calling you out on that wouldn’t be an attack on you if you weren’t identified with that in someway in the first place.

I remember hearing about this book in Tony Robbins' Money Master The Game (never actually finished). Money psychology is definitely a weak spot for me. Glad to see this got a plug. Will give a look for sure! More recommendations on books, courses, and resources about money very much appreciated!

Trip date: 3/29/19 Substance: 105 mg LSD (1 tab) Time of ingestion: 10:20 AM Location: Golden Gate Park, Lindley Meadow Duration: roughly 6 hours on an empty stomach I’m going to start by saying this... This was both the best day of my life and also being one of the most difficult. Fortunately, that was expected as a possibility... sort of. I want to note that I don’t advocate the setting and circumstances I was in to anyone else. This setting for this trip was what it was due to my current living situation and life circumstances. I went into this trip pretty nervous. However, after a call from a great friend (that I made on this forum), I felt a lot more relaxed. By the time I took the tab I let go of my expectations and intent for some super deep metaphysical trip. I actually went in wanting to have a very pleasant “ego-trip” and just go around Golden Gate Park and have a great time... Surprisingy, the opposite happened. I took an Uber down to Golden Gate Park near Polo Field, took the tab and then began walking around. Being that this was my first psychedelic trip and I personally have a notoriously low tolerance for pretty much everything (I’ve had a pretty solid Kundalini awakening and 3rd eye opening off 1 hit of a THC vape pen - don’t ask me how. I don’t know) I was definitely in that mindset of ‘waiting for something to happen’. It was a beautiful day, sun was finally out after weeks of rain and I found a log to sit by. I placed my bag down At about the 30 min mark I started noticing my natural curiosity was starting to come more online. I remember looking at the trees across from me in the distance and just looking at them. I noticed I became more curious each passing moment to the point of laughter. ‘Why this laughter?’ I wondered. Well, because I was become more authentic. My filter that keeps my natural curiosity down and depressed was starting to melt away. I then remember saying (and this became a phrase I continued to utter through the duration of the trip), “It’s just an amplification of what’s already so.” As soon as I said that, everything started to take off from there. This was the start of a massive buildup (for me relative to my ordinary consciousness and all other “glimpses”). As this trip progressed in the early stages I became so authentic and free from my normal character that I’m used to living in I felt like I imagine a lot of gay people do when they finally own their sexuality and live it. It was pure freedom. I honesty can say I’ve never had a more honest and authentic experience of what was truly so for me in my entire life. I realized that what honesty is is simply reporting what already so and authenticity is expressing what’s truly so. In order to truly own authenticity though, you have to know what it is that’s being repressed and also have overcome the massive filter I constantly have on... and that’s no simple matter. It took a whole tab of LSD to melt that filter to get out of jail. It was a feeling of “finally! You’re finally being real! You’re finally telling the truth! There you are!” I realized that one of the biggest obstacles towards true authenticity is fear. Simply fear. Fear of being disloyal to the facade because that facade was necessary and also has a lot of memories you are attached to... however... they’re not true and in order to be free you have to shed that armor and be vulnerable. It’s fear of being judged by others. I was looking at other people like a total spastic goofball but didn’t have an ounce of fear because what I was experiencing was what was true and that I could now love myself. I realized that you can only love when you truly accept and live what’s true. As my experience became more deeply authentic, I noticed found I was finding myself more and more in bi-lateral symmetry, something Martin Ball is known for truly emphasizing as a rule of thumb when taking entheogens (psychedelics) and embodying the nondual energy. I found that I literally couldn’t “violate” this symmetry so long as I wanted to stay authentic as I noticed that when I entered a-symmetries I wouldn’t enter into a dualistic point of view of subject-object relationship. When I broke bi-lateral symmetry, duality no longer was a concept, it became an inauthentic experience. I noticed the difference in the quality and state of mind between staying in bi-lateral symmetry as opposed to going into a-symmetry so I continued to sit down and stay in bi-lateral symmetry. The longer I stayed in bi-lateral symmetry the more I noticed a process of breaking down this “inauthentic energy” I was finding in my (subtle) body... checkout Martin Ball’s video on YouTube “Fractal Energetic Yoga” to know what I’m talking about and to see a little bit of what I was doing (whoever came up with that title needs to go into marketing). At the peak of purging my authenticity I started noticing something rather odd... the feminine in me came up. This promiscuous feminine aspect of my self cane up and boy did it come out. It wasn’t like some repressed gay side cams out but I feel flourishing of feminine side came out. It was such a release. I had both no idea that was there in yet at the same time it felt like something I was waiting to burst out all along. It was just some feminine aspect of my self it had a whole feminine sexuality to it too. At one point I just blurted out “God is soooooo sexy!” Lol After a plentiful amount of time processing and shedding my inauthentic character, I suddenly reached this weird and then staggering realization while laying on the ground... “it’s Infinite... it’s Infinite... I’M Infinite!” Tears came out. Tears of Love. Tears of Truth. Tears of fear. Tears. This realization was impersonal, personal, and transpersonal all that same time. It was a conflict because all 3 of those felt equally true at different moments. I started to truly realize what the word “yoga” or “union” really meant. It was hilarious. My mind was not dissolved at all though which, looking book 3+ weeks now, is kinda blizzare... at least to me. Rather, my conceptual mind was starting to became a visual interpreter for every realization even though these realizations were totally beyond the domain of mind. I started realizing the nature of perspective. I started to realize I was the cause of all the evil in the world, all the beauty in the world, the infinite creative potential of God. I realize the vital role of creation. I started to see that duality is the design and that it’s a necessary feature such that the results we have in this relative world are all necessary towards the next creation. I started to realize just the “out of control” function of cosmic creation moment-moment to the point I was both laughing with bliss and also felt my mind was going to explode because of the magnitude.I realize my Top (7) Values: Truth/Wisdom Love Consciousness Creativity Learning/Knowledge/Understanding Authenticity Beauty As these insights started to slow down I became much quieter to the point where I was totally still. I was started to reach the beginning of the come down and I was taking in what I had just realized. It dawned on me the responsibility that comes with the realizations I just had. Responsibility with a capital “R”. Not as a moral responsibility laid down my ego or some “other” but rather what it means and entails to truly live at the highest alititude of consciousness and what the required in terms of living in Truth, making life choices based off of the Truth, etc. I realized deep down I can’t just reject the world of form if I’m going to eventually live from the highest place of Truth and highest state of Consciousness. To deny the world is to deny myself because I literally am the world and everybody else. To deny Love of others is to deny Love of myself and to do so would be a lie and would be creating a shadow and would mean living in falsehood. I realized why sages do what they do and why they feel they “have to.” It’s not becaue they have some egotistical moral obligation. It’s out of Love of Truth and ironically, out of self-acceptance. Their identity is so cosmic that helping society and the world is no different than helping themselves. Feeding a starving boy in a sense feels the same as feeding themselves if they were starving. To not do so would be hurting themselves. I sat there stunned honestly nervous and asking funnily “Can I do this?” And then I remember a quote from Ralston when @Leo Gura asked him about the possibility of enlightenment, “who else could do it?” At that point I got up and started walking only to then realize that my phone was dead. I still was nowhere near sober but I was starting to really come down. This brought slight anxiety but nothing big. I decided it was best to find a coffee shop with an outlet where I could charge my phone. As I walked though, the more I felt other people. I felt all the staring from other people. I felt the hostile energy of cars racing and honking. I could feel the hate of so many other people. I started becoming ever increasingly self-conscious of how weird I probably seemed. As the LSD came down, the more I noticed how much I taint and ruin everything. I was aware of the more I felt worse, the more I projected onto other people. I felt like I was going crazy and going schizophrenic. I felt shame every time someone looked at me. I knew what was going on and that I was projecting and I was realizing that this is what a shadow is as it was happening. Though I knew what was happening I struggled keeping it together. I eventually found my way into a coffee shop which by that point I felt like I was truly losing my mind and to cap it off, the shop was full and no outlets were to be found. The emotional energy of everybody was so overwhelming I just kept projecting it out (internally - didn’t say anything). More frustration amounted. I just wanted to go home and call someone but couldn’t. I was trying to comfort myself but it was so hard. I realized just how much I ruin everything for myself. The hard part was that my mind was just getting more and more amplified the more the LSD wore off to a shocking degree. The distortion of thought was unlike anything I had ever experienced. I began walking for the next 4ish miles to the next coffee shop I thought of. It was rough. I was trying so hard to console myself without shitting on myself. The sad part was, this was what I was already doing inside of me. I just was never aware of it. I would have my hands on my knees I was feeling so overwhelmed exhausted by mind. I decided to keep trudging and stop feeling sorry for myself. I realized that this was par for the course and that yes, this wasn’t ideal. This is what I do but goddamnit I’m going to be fine. I can keep going. I even laughed a little bit about how distorted this same trip I got a taste of God as a bad trip. The more I kept going, the more I calmed down. I sat down, bought a sandwich, charged my phone, gave another friend on here a call and started feeling better. I learned a lot this trip. This was a truly full spectrum trip in every sense for me. I’m very happy I did a lot of listening and homework before ever doing psychedelics because having that frame alone for what was happening when it went South really was a big help in ways I can’t even put into words. Having in back of my mind that this was all perfectly normal really was the safety banklet I used to allow me to console myself that this was okay and I would be totally fine. I remember Leo said in the 10 Ox-Herding Pictures video when you first get a glimpse of the ox there’s thought of “we’re going to need a bigger boat...” And man is that fucking true. I realize a big part of that “bigger boat” for me is self-esteem and self-acceptance and development of my ego. My ego is fragile that I could see that the main reason my trip went south is because my ego is frail and fragile, as ironic as that might sound for so many people. Leo once used a lightbulb analogy that I think suits this experience well where it’s like you’re a puny little bulb being plugged into this ginormous high voltage wall socket and the moment you’re put in you burst. How true. I hate, deny, and am so ashamed of myself so much that my puny ego can’t actually tolerate and handle that amount of Love and Truth that I as God am. This has been a long post so I’ll wrap it up here. Thank you to @Robby for the pre-trip call, thank you @Sahil Pandit for being available to talk to as I came down, and thank you Leo. Thank you for everything. You’ve helped me find what I truly want out of life and show me a path of who I can truly be, avenues of potential I didn’t think were humanly possible, and showing me a path to find who I’ve always been. You can’t put a price on that. I don’t know you but I hope one day I get the opportunity in my life purpose to give you credit. And thanks to those of you on this forum who are genuine and have shared kind words of support in my past posts. To seekers: God is real... Trust me... I used to be a huge Marilyn Manson and Sam Harris fanatic LOL. As far as right now I am back in my ordinary ego. I’m about to embark in less than a month on a 4 month hardcore sales gig where I can earn up to $60k this summer which I’m currently preparing for. I’m currently doing self-esteem sentence completion work but still don’t feel any real difference despite having finished this first week of daily sentence completions. Self-esteem is hands down my biggest obstacle right now. My confidence, integrity, self-accepetance, work ethic is still extremely low. Still screw ups and mix ups in my day still set me off on huge emotional rampages internally where I tear myself apart and lose all hope. I’m trying hard to cultivate hope. I hope after this 4 month gig I will have enough money to not only move out for this first time (which is terrifying enough for me as it is) but can then go to some workshops and seminars to really work on building my self-esteem, get clearer on my life purpose, and also go to a full workshop with Ralston in the Fall. Despite all the inner turmoil, the faith is still there. I’m still here and I’m still standing. Thank God ❤️

@d0ornokey @now is forever @moon777light @Consilience Thanks!! ?????

I have a tear I’m laughing that hard

Dude... I’m calling out your bullshit ideas, fantasies, and dogmas. I don’t know you at all. You think because I’m direct and don’t play coy that I have some emotional vestment in you. Every time you’re thoroughly called out, even with evidence that you yourself can clarify for yourself for you’re honest and you introspect, you go regurgitate “it’s all ideas” and how I’m “attacking you”. I’m not here to prove anything to you though. If you don’t want to learn and empty your cup, that’s your problem. That’s your job to discover the proof for yourself. Not my job. I don’t play games and I don’t care to treat a pile of bullshit fantasies as anything other than that - bullshit fantasies. I don’t need to respect bullshit. I have direct experience with how therapy done effectively (and it’s often not - I have HUGE qualms with the health care industry... don’t even get me started on that. So I have no side in this) can transform a person because I’ve been there for me and also in DOZENS of people. I’ve seen directly how group therapy can radically transform and widen a persons point of view. This isn’t a silly theory for me. This isn’t an idea for me. It is FOR YOU clearly and yeah I don’t really care to caress your bullshit. You can be a great guy to hang out with. I’m sure you’re a sweetheart in your intentions but that doesn’t excuse dogma. I’m done here. Mods, feel free to close this thread. Apologies if this got off topic. This thread clearly doesn’t seem to be going anywhere.

I’m very thankful you’re not in a position where you’re in a position where people suicidal and truly struggling from certain traumas and what not are paying you for their help because you could literally ruin peoples lives. You can listen to the same thing from people like Shinzen Young, Adyashanti, Leo, etc. But of course, when your dogmatic over your positions, you don’t care what evidence is presented to you. Just like a theist who doesn’t want to admit and introspect into God as a belief system that they’ve been indoctrinated in or tbeg indoctrinated themselves in. Or like some nondual keyboard jockey Zen Devil who thinks enlightenment is all there is and all those suffering egos who may have been abused as a kid or bullied or had a rough household just need to sit down shut up and meditate to solve all their problems. That’s a belief system and a false one at that. Your worldview is black and white. You lack compassion. You lack depth. You lack epistemic introspection. You lack big picture understanding. Do you understand Buddha was not some multicultural relativistic dude that understand the arbitrary nature of gender roles? Do you understand Buddha didn’t even know he lived on a planet? This doesn’t diminish his impact. He left an extordinary impact. Understand Buddha today would NOT be fully enlightened. Except they wouldn’t LOL. I suggest you read more about how corrupt even nondua masters can be lol. Read about the history of Mt. Hiei in the Marathon Monks book. You can still enlightened and commit atrocities. Joshu Sasaki Roshi was a HIGHLY advanced Zen master who was a Zen master for over 70 YEARS and just took it deeper and deeper. Even people like Shinzen Young talk about how awake this guy was. Despite all that, in 2007 he finally was called out in his late 90s for decades of groping women and fondling their tits in the name of dharma BECAUSE THATS WHAT THE MIND DOES. You can be incredibly spiritually awake and still have an immature juvenile embodied perspective or ego that has not developed much. How many more examples do you need of advanced enlightened masters and other enlightened people who’ve abused their power and commit atrocities? Enlightenment does not solve that. Call it whatever you want. That’s a fantasy you have. Notice how you backwards rationalize all that’s presented to you as “just ideas”. Clever how devilry creeps in after an awakening some glimpses into the nondual ... assuming you’ve even gone that far. My point exactly. No problem.

This is why I call you guys non dual keyboard warriors. Thats not true at all. You can meet many enlightened people who are awake as fuck in India who are still very ethnocentric Stage Blue people. You understand that Albert Einstein didn’t reach Yellow by having nondual experiences. You realize this right? Spiral Dynamics is about how your sense of self becomes more and more all inclusive and yes that does eventually lead require spiritual work once you reach higher stages in order to keep developing. This idea (and it is an idea - false one at that) that the only way you go from say Orange to Green is through enlightenment experiences is just flat out not true. Go to San Francisco where I live and you tell me that these people needed a nondual experience to go to Green lol. Do you understand that you still have a self? It’s not who are you but you have one. Spiral Dynamics is tracking how all inclusive that is. What @purerogue is saying about Wilber is correct. Psychotherapy today is largely a very Green practice these days with practices like DBT, CBT, etc. These practices actually help a lot of people move into Green. You can see that transformation in people and then people more open to love, self-acceptance and even more compassionate and soft with other people and also more open to the relativity and pluralism which is actually very much needed for A LOT of Stage Orange & Blue people. Wilber acknowledges this and this is what he’s addressing. Psychotherapy helps really ramp people in their awareness in the lower stages. Also it’s a necessary tool and there’s DOZENS of psycbotherapeutic techniques that work great in conjunction with deep spiritual work in the modern day. You have a self. You always will have a self so long as you operate in this relative world of illusion. Or we can call it embodied perspective. It’s not what you are but you have it and will have it until this self “dies.” If you want to be in denial of that, be my guest lol. How all inclusive is it? How many shadows does it have? How ideological is it? What beliefs are still there? What emotional buttons does it have? Enlightenment experiences and even liberation does not grant human perfection upon you. You can be deeply enlightened and still be an emotional child. Psycbotherapy has its problems and it’s blunders in the way it’s practiced and by the practitioners themselves. Granted. So are spiritual teachers though. If you think there isn’t bullshit in spirituality and even spiritual masters, man... would that be a joke lol.

Nondual keyboard warriors infest another post LOL... I’m out ✌?

Projection

That’s your projection right there. You actually think I even have some sort of master LOL. What you’re calling “intuition” in this case is just your egoic biases because your little character likes to stroked with nondual talk and fantasies. Again, you’re only deluding yourself and projecting your stuff on me. I have no master. I am no master. I’m DIRECT. I have no emotional barring on you. I don’t know you. You don’t know me. If you don’t want to learn, your problem at the end of the day (in the end it’s the worlds problem but that’s another rabbit hole). I’m direct because a lot of you nondual keyboard warriors spout a lot of zen devilry on here and its nauseating and yeah I don’t play coy that much when I see that. But of course, you spout your nonsense and then I call you out on it and then you try to play the nondual cool front like I’m trying to bash you or something and that you’re above such “antics”. I’m sure you’re a nice guy who means well. I’m calling out your behavior. I’m calling your fantasies and beliefs and ignprance. It has nothing to do with you.