kieranperez

This is the shit I’m talking about.

First off, I’d be cautious of the word “ego”. There is no “I” to dissolve. When you realize for example that the sky actually isn’t blue, that doesn’t mean the sky stops looking blue. There’s a distinction to be made between the sense of “I” (which you’re not - that sense will remain for the most part after enlightenment) vs. character. The character itself can “dissolve” as a result of massive purification or purging out of what’s totally false but the sense of “I” doesn’t go away. And it depends on what you’re talking about when you say “insight”. If you’re talking about, as Paul Terlic is quoted for saying “the ground of Being” (or emptiness of Godhead), you can realize that right now and that is really the “deepest” as far as Absolute truth goes. There is no “greater” as far as Absolute truth goes. How much that permeated the indivuality or the Ego into an ever more infinite sense of “I” (like one experiences on psychedelics) is a game that can and will go on forever - not saying don’t pursue that, but there’s a distinction worth making there.

@Keyhole people who truly know these spiritual truths to the core are not wasting time on a forum preaching. Don’t agree? Go into the world and see for yourself. People who ACTUALLY are seeking are not on their ass talking shit. They are genuinely seeking and putting in the work and those who have truly realized these truths, are not imprinted with Leo’s language (that’s no fault of Leo that’s just the issue of people who just watch shit all day long and now they think they know what they’re talking about) which is exactly what you see on this forum so often. If you’re not genuinely awake, you are not an authority of what enlightenment is. If you are not taking time out of your day to deliberately and genuinely and honestly seek whats true and you’re talking and debating the theories and concepts of spirituality all because they make sense in the mind, that’s lying, breaking integrity, and not really seeking. And of course they can’t be held accountable for their talk because of the nature of the Internet where people can say whatever they want. Interpret it how you want. That’s up to you. If you actually pay attention to how people talk on here and how they just become parrots of Leo (or any other spiritual teacher or any other influential person - you’ll see their followers just program themselves to the leader) how they project, you look at how often a person is on here for hours and just talking a big game, etc. you’ll see more clearly. Do we know for sure? No. However, we can say the same thing for Trump but when you look at his talk and all that he does, you can be sure as hell hes lying. A much more accurate assumption. And if you think I’m talking as someone who somehow holds the wisdom is just criticizing others, I’ve said it more time than I can count how much I don’t know. Go look at my posts. You’ll see actual questioning regarding my own ignorance. However I also have masters I study from in person now and they are the antithesis of what I see from most “spiritual people”.

Most of the people who spend all day talking on here have “taken the blue pill”. So yes. It’s easier to talk shit and pretend you know and disguise ignorance for false wisdom.

Today I was reading Kant’s Critique of Pure Reason. As I was reading and trying to grapple with his language while also trying to contemplate and experience what it is he’s saying, I realized how challenging it is because I’m still at a post-structural stage of cognition because I kept wondering “How do I know what Kant is calling ‘reason’ is what I’m calling ‘reason’? If it’s all completely relative, how do I grasp what it is he’s really saying? I could read this whole thing through my lens and come out with a totally different interpretation”. Of course, as far as my own conceptual understanding goes, yes all things are relative and when one reaches systemic/integral cognition, all relative truths are all still relative but things are now understood and cognized to have more truths than others. Though I understand that conceptually, that’s still not in my experience. As far as (my own) post-structural cognition goes in my own experience, all things seem to be just as equally true in the relative world. How exactly do I go beyond this in my own cognitive experience? Does shadow work play a role?

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@Leo Gura what do you mean by epistemic idealist? I think I get what you’re saying (and if it’s what I’m thinking, a huge light bulb just went off) but I’m still not quite sure. I gotta bookmark that Stanford link. I forgot to last time you mentioned it in one of your videos.

@Leo Gura If i I recall correctly you’re fond if Hume. Thoughts on him? What about Heraclitus and Epictetus or Heidegger? I wanted to try Kant because of the light Wilber has shared on Kant’s insights and also the kudos I’ve gotten from Ralston and his apprentice Brendan Lea who I talk to. The critique Kant seems to make on reason and apriori frameworks seems relatively true so far as human perception and of how we relate to things but not true as far as it being existentially true. I thought it might be helpful so I can open myself to introduce new questions so as to broaden my own investigation into my own experience.

Shadow Work

I want to invite you to consider how you’re not helping her want to pursue enlightenment. A lot of even spiritual teachers are honestly just not what people who are going through a hard time need to here as what they say makes things worse rather facilitating trauma integration. For example, if you’re suffering and you’re not someone that’s into spiritual work, you don’t go to them just telling them “you’re attracting this suffering” or “that’s just a result of your own ignorance of Truth” or whatever. You don’t relate to people like that. Its not effective and that actually shows a lack of skillful ness and LACK OF COMPASSION for what others (as illusory as they may be - just like you) are going through. A lot of even enlightened people including “spiritual big talkers” are often very arrogant and really narcissistic in this regards. They actually project their own shadow onto other people. So Id like you to consider that may be how you’re relating to this person. From what I read, it sounds like that’s definitely a possibility, however, I don’t know you or how you really relate in reality so I can’t say. Nonetheless, this forum does attract a lot of spiritual narcissism (and I don’t say that as necessarily a put down) so consider that may be how you’re relating to this person and if so... of course she doesn’t want to. Again, if that is the case, you’re not walking your talk. You’re not serving as an example for why people may want to pursue spiritual realization. So consider that. All that said I really agree with what @ajasatya said. If you live your realization, you provide a helping hand and she says no... then it doesn’t really matter what you tell them. They don’t have to pursue enlightened if it’s not something in their conscious experience as something worth pursuing, and that’s just fine.

Shadow Work

How do I purify my mind, subconscious mind, emotions, beliefs, thoughts, perceptions, and projections in such a way that last? I’m realizing everything I manifest, everything I experience, etc. is a result of something I’m doing, want, and attract. However, I can’t just mechanically change the way I relate to the world from a place of say for example fear, just by doing surface level changes. Some of you recommend psychedelics. In my experience, there is a profound purification I find that goes on... as the experience takes place... However, there is still a major sliding back to such a degree that there isn’t really any progress. I may end up having a better conceptual understanding of what has been my underlying self-experience that I may not have been aware of, however I want to go beyond concepts. I want a real cellular purification that really lasts. The moment the psychedelics start to wear off, and the mind really starts to lock back into its prior framework.. not only does this feel schizophrenic and like true insanity but I feel like I lost at least most of the purification I did in that session. What major steps can I take in my life to really go about purification of my entire psycho-spiritual mind? I use the word “major” as a way to suggest a willingingness to “radical” suggestions. I really want purification so I can cease to end projections with the “external” (just bare with the limitations of langauge, don’t be a smart ass here) and relate to them only from deep unconscious needs, wants, personas/sub personalities, etc. and put an end to deep rooted fear, limiting beliefs about my self, shadows, etc. so as to take more responsibility in my life without being so terrified of everything. Note: Serious answers only. Don’t give me smartass nor condescending answers or projections of who and how you think I am (be mindful that you’re still only giving advice to an idea you have of me). Such responses will not be regarded.

Check out the ones with Doshin Roshi! I just moved to Boulder, CO to study under him and other from Integral (Zen) and I had the chance to talk to him and he’s the real deal!

What exactly is this question asking? Is there another way of asking this question in such a way I might be able to get at what is really being asked?

People have been telling for years, particularly recently, that I’m a really great writer and that they really feel what it is I’m communicating. They can even feel in their body exactly what it is I’m saying when I really want them to. But I don’t have much passion towards it. What does writing really do to change the world? Does that really start new visionary movements? Does that really help create a more conscious, loving, and impactful world? How many writers actually do that anyways? Writing just seems like a selfish thing like my sport. It’s somebting I’m good at but I don’t see what it’s really going to change.

Okay I think I get the basis of what the question is point towards. Thank you.

Okay let me be more clear on what this post was intended for... I am NOT asking for answers to the question “what is a distinction.” I am asking what’s a different way to word this question ask I don’t understand what the question is asking. What is another way I can word this question to direct my Contemplation. Repeat: I am NOT asking for ANSWERS.

So we could pose the question as “what is the Absolute nature of difference?” Or “what is the Absolute nature of duality?”

I know what Ralston said but that doesn’t answer my question

I’ll pass on trying to master wanting being a janitor in hope that that will lead to fulfillment There is a truth in what Newport is saying. However it’s incomplete

What a miserable human being lol you clearly don’t get sarcasm. Idk what fairytales you think I’m saying as you haven’t been clear (nor accurate) on any accusation of me on what it is I’m “preaching” to you other than just that you’re full of shit with your own fake skepticism that you use as a tool to protect your own fake authority on matters you’re not aware of.

This has been proven to be false time and time and time and time again. You can still get angry, experience suffering, suffering, act like an asshole just like most other egos. The difference is that you now have a different relationship to it. That new relationship though often can turn toxic. Hence the need for shadow work.

I think you just need a hug

You’re not even enlightened in yet you think you know what enlightenment is lol as though you’re in a position of authority to talk. I suggest you meet some enlightened masters. You’re talking out of your ass.