Shanmugam

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@Saumaya @Mikael89 Thank you @cirkussmile Thanks.. Didn't know you have been to India, happy to hear that... @Faceless witness is the pure awareness, the subject... Yeah, we are using different terminology..

Seeing this subtle micro movements inside the mind while being established as the witness is really an interesting exploration. Once people get the taste of it, they will keep going until they completely lose all the psychological boundaries...

There is no harm in practicing the Osho meditations with Kriya yoga you are already practicing... Regarding Inner engineering, check with the teacher himself if you can do all these together. The practices they give you in Isha has to be done twice daily in empty stomach and continuously for 60 days... But only if you do 'inner engineering' practice alone for 60 days, you will know how it works when compared to other practices... .. At the end of the day, it is all up to you.. If you feel one practice seems to suit you better, choose that... Shambhavi Mahamudra taught in Isha is a very good practice and it has some powerful practices put together. But you need to be skeptical about the load of information that is given to you along with those practices. I recently made a post regarding that here: http://bit.ly/ishacult

Is this addressed to me, dude?

@Mikael89 Switzerland looks so beautiful

I don't think the point has been noted... The point is not whether India is a great country or not.. The point is, his overhype of nationalism promotes prejudice... "I AM NOT AN INDIAN - nor am I an American or a Chinese. I don't believe in countries and I don't believe in any political divisions. Because of political divisions, humanity has suffered enough. No more of that nonsense. I have to live somewhere, so I live here, but I don't belong to India. I am not a nationalist, because all nationalism is in some way or other a form of fascism. If you think you are an Indian or a German or a Japanese, you are a fascist - and you are a danger to humanity, to peace, to love, to progress. You are not a religious person. A nationalist is never a religious person, cannot be. And a nationalist is a neurotic. The whole of human history is enough proof for it" - Osho, Ecstasy: The Forgotten Language

Looks like Sadhguru's book did its work....

Yes.. It is more of a humanity problem. But there are certain things in what Sadhguru does, which also contributes to that. 1. People try to imitate Sadhguru.. Sadhguru often ridicules people who ask questions. He also uses the words 'idiot', 'stupid' etc (Which I think came from Osho's influence ). The followers just imitate this behavior. 2. Sadhguru says things like West is dumb, Science is dumb, every allegation that is said about Isha is spread by Christian missionaries etc. This is a repetitive pattern in his speeches, including in places where they are absolutely unnecessary. He is also too nationalistic and often insists that Indians knew a lot better than everyone else. If 10% of his talks are about real spirituality, the remaining 90% of content will be how great India is. That is the reason why you see Sadhguru devotees naming people as 'arrogant westerner', 'arrogant American', 'arrogant stupid scientist' 'arrogant ****** Christian' etc, when people disagree. I have added more in this video:

@Viking No... We need to keep his methods and talks different... The methods do help...My talks and posts are only about the blind behaviour and taking everything he says as true... @Salvijus Whether one makes use of him or doesn't is totally different.. It doesn't mean that everyone should worship him and that his statements should be taken for granted without any scepticism... First, you didn't watch the video but, you are just making quick conclusions about a person that you never met in your life... This behaviour in itself will turn off any random and sane person who is reading it... Sadhguru's own followers bring him down more than his critics... Unless you are open to what I have to say, you can never get my point...

Not sure which version is true, but this link will give more information on this: https://ksmphanindra.wordpress.com/2017/11/02/the-controversial-death-of-sadhgurus-wife-vijji/.

Thank you.. Yes, from what I have observed these followers of Sadhguru want to conform to certain standards only because they think those standards make them better. So they are often proud to say, 'I am not a follower of sadhguru and I am not a blind believer'.... But this is a very dangerous thing.. Believing in something without knowing that you are believing... It is dangerous when you think erroneously and with emotionally motivated reasoning but believe that your way of thinking is brilliant and superior..

ok good... When you become capable of having a conversation and think like the rest of the people in the world, this link will help you: http://bit.ly/ishacult First, the programming and parroting should go away.. After that, I think we might be in talking terms..

No problem buddy... .. thank you...

Dear friend, may I know what makes you to think that I don't have a 'life' now?

@Salvijus I have said all those things buddy... You know him for 8 months and I know him for 16 years... There are many things that we realize later in life.. @Harikrishnan Thank you

You are right... Celebrity gurus are usually not what they claim to be, but they do attract the 'worship genre' a lot.

reading the title was enough to comment on it? Are you serious? ... You just confirmed what I wrote in my Quora answer few days before: http://qr.ae/TUpzl1 The question asked was 'Is Isha Foundation a new religion' and here is my answer (read the one in bold and red): Yes… It is a new religion. Here are the beliefs of this religion. 1)The first and foremost belief they hold is the belief that they don’t hold any beliefs. If you ask them, they will say ‘We don’t believe in anything; Sadhguru never asks you to believe in anything’. It is true that Sadhguru Jaggi Vasudev uses the Osho’s punch line’Don’t believe me and don’t disbelieve me’ and never asks anyone to believe in anything. But beliefs doesn’t work that way. Beliefs are formed gradually by exposure and usually not formed in a single instant. Second, once you start trusting the person, you will start taking things for granted. 2) Sadhguru can never ever be wrong in anything no matter which subject he talks about, be it physics, chemistry, history, Sanskrit, etymology etc. 3) Anyone who shows skepticism on what Sadhguru says and disagrees with him is an idiot, moron, fool and stupid. The word ‘idiot’ is probably consecrated by Sadhguru just like he consecrated a mantra called ‘Brahmananda Svarupa’. 4) Anyone who shows skepticism on what Sadhguru says is getting paid by a Christian missionary or a Naxalite. 5) There was a human being called ‘Adiyogi’ who lived 15,000 years before, who married a yogini called Parvati. She gave birth to Ganesha and Skanda who were also yogis. Everything that is written in Shiva Purana is actually about this human being who suddenly appeared in Himalayas. No one, including Sadhguru knew where he came from, even though Sadhguru knows every thing else about his life. 6) Science is dumb, arrogant and has been wrong many times. Science is something that is in competition with spirituality. If anyone with scientific background points out some unscientific statement said by Sadhguru, that guy is an arrogant idiot. (The fallacy ‘science was wrong before’ is a classic statement used only by religions: "Science Was Wrong Before!" | Debunking Denialism ) 7) They are not devotees or followers but meditators. The cult of personality that exists in Isha about just one person has got nothing to do with ‘devotion’ at all. 8) The police department and law in our country is completely perfect and corruption free. If a case is closed by police saying that there is no evidence, you can be sure that it is true. Because, not even a single policeman in our country knows what bribery is. (If a cop asks you money illegally, it probably is a donation; but not bribe). Law and order is 100% perfect in our country. 9) A question can be interpreted as a statement. For example, a guy asks Sadhguru, “How can I be sure if you are not another Ram Rahim?”, it means that the questioner is saying, ‘You are another Ram Rahim’.. The person who asked that question deserved a lot of verbal abuses. (this is a real incident by the way).. Asking such questions are always like ‘trying to insult’ Sadhguru. And Sadhguru always ‘shuts them up’: 10) Christians must be hated for every reason (unless he is also a part of Isha). If a person with a Christian name comments on Youtube video showing a little bit of skepticism, it is completely ok to abuse him until your frustration and anger is completely gone. 11) Even though Isha is not a religion, it may change according to convenience. For example, if someone is criticizing Sadhguru, an Isha follower may comment and say ‘Why is that you people always criticize Hindu gurus? What about that church pastor? what about ‘so and so’ incident done by an Islamic preacher?” etc. That comment will have a lot of likes or upvotes. It is ok for Isha to become a religion on a temporary basis just to insult another human being. 12) Along with daily meditation practice, insulting a non-follower who questions Sadhguru everyday is also a good practice and a social norm. You are free to ridicule each and every one. 13) To comment on some written article or a video, you don’t have to read it or watch it completely. You can make a rough assumption by just reading the title or by skimming through. 14) A person who supports Sadhguru is always correct in his supportive comments, even if what he says is completely contradictory to what Sadhguru himself said. 15) It is completely ok to comment on a post that criticizes Sadhguru by saying ‘You wasted my time’. For some reason, the time he took to comment that never gets wasted. Also, you can go ahead and engage in an argument with that person and that will not be a waste of time either. 16) If you want to disagree with a critique but don’t know what to say, the best way to handle the problem is to say ‘Sadhguru never said that’… (I have watched a few instances. One person was questioning Sadhguru’s enlightenment in Youtube comments section and another guy replied ‘Sadhguru never said he is enlightened’.. There was another instance in Quora, where another guy confidently said ‘Sadhguru never said that the word Sadhguru means uneducated guru.’). 17) It is cool to put the phrase ‘undercover yogi’ near your name and photograph in all the profiles, even though the word ‘undercover’ is about something that is not revealed publicly. 18) Water has memory. A random website which talks about a scientist doing an experiment can be trusted completely, if it can be used to justify the belief that water has memory. You don’t have to understand about peer review or authentic science journals. If this argument doesn’t work, then all you have to say is ‘Science has not yet discovered it, because it is so dumb anyway’. 19) An important holy book of the religion: Mystic Musings. 20) A main code of conduct: Ad hominem or personal attacks There is more… But I think it is enough for now. ........................................................................................................... @Salvijus Sorry to say that you have been already brainwashed to the core...

Your reply was a proof of what I have said in the video: ad hominem attack with no attempt to actually refute what has been said in that video.

You are right....

@Anna1 I think you can recognize what I am talking about in the video..

no!!!! Why this question? He is a joker

Here is mine: