SOUL

@Squeekytoy Sure buddy.

Oh really? Apparently, you aren't even aware that you are speaking about the very same thing. Awakening is simultaneously from and to, it's not one or the other, it includes all. The way it seems you are describing it as is dualistic, as if it's one or the other when it is all of it, any duality is a perception that does not have to be perceived as such. The wrong or right, the true or false, even higher or lower, it's merely a perception of the appearance in awareness that defines what the awakening is.

Awakening is only one phenomenon, it is being aware of something that previously was unaware of. There are an infinite amount of things one can become awakened to but awakening is still the same simple process of being aware of something that previously one was not aware of. Eventually, one can become awakened to the infinite number of consciousnesses that comprise the one ultimate, for a lack of a better word, consciousness. This is how the solipsistic perception of 'I am god' is transcended and the notion of alone evaporates so awaken to all one. It's literally awakening to the multitude of being that is 'god consciousness' but often people have to awaken through the solitude of solipsism 'god consciousness' initially. Not everyone will go that way but if you listen to other people tell you that's what it is then you have been conceptually primed to experience it that way and it is difficult to not perceive it as such. It is apparent by how someone describes their perception they tell is what their experience of it is, which sounds pretty obvious. So if they are saying 'I am the only one' they are still perceiving the solitude perception and not the multitude perception of god consciousness. There is no right and wrong, or true and false about it, it's simply the perception that one is aware of. In the multitude perception of god consciousness, one is aware of all in it, like Jesus, Buddha, every guru and teacher, every student and seeker but also including everyone who is completely asleep so isn't aware they are connected as the all one god consciousness. So if someone tells me they can't see me from what they are aware of in god consciousness, it doesn't mean I can't see them from what I am aware of in god consciousness. Yet, ultimately we are together, actually coexisting and occupying the one together as one in the ultimate god consciousness. Whether one is aware of it or not.

Thank who?

Knowing or not knowing is a construct of justifying identity. It's trusting a perceiving and understanding accurately or not by 'someone' of 'something'. Being presence is liberated from attaching to what is appearing in awareness.

Cool story bro... ...in your imagination.

If you had fully awakened to what is being called 'god-realization' then all the layers of 'finite dreams' disappear just like when one awakens from sleeping their sleep dreams disappear, What some may call 'god-realization', it is observing 'what is' without it being the 'dream'. Until one realizes it, this perception cannot be described because it is ineffable. Except people then try to describe the indescribable going on for many words on concepts of paradigms blah blah. They have their description of their 'truth' which ironically is nearly always borrowed from people they read or heard and the cultural conditioning. So primed by others then imagined in their own spiraling story about 'what is'. Ultimately we are simply being aware even if there is no story, being aware just is with or without story.

Did I say that? Or did you imagine me saying it? Why would you create someone saying it? Why would God dream a reality of humans dreaming themselves lucid dreaming? When someone awakens from sleep they aren't dreaming anymore so when one awakens into God realization then all the layers of dreams disappear. If one perceives any of the dreams then one's awakening has yet to be fully realized. Or this all could be just your imagination.

If time doesn't really exist, is it something that can even be wasted? Just asking for a friend....that may not exist either.

Seems like the thought police already got to you and threw you in a prison of your own mind.

Yes, defining these vague terms can be quite a chore but let me attempt to simplify my experience of well being to something that may seem abstract, so bear with me. Any goal of inner meaning in one's path can be it's own hurdle if someone perceives and believes they don't have it. With external circumstances, getting them to conform to one's desires doesn't have really the ability to fulfill the inner sense of well being. Also, by its paradoxical inevitability a path that perceives and believes one to not have 'god realization', 'well being', 'enlightenment', 'salvation' or whatever one prefers to call this inner state of being one perceives and believes is absent, then they don't have it. When someone creates and believes in the hoop to jump through, it's the hoop that ironically keeps them out. I told you it may seem abstract, but it's described as plain as I can. There isn't anything to 'do' to 'be well', just be it.

@The Blade I'm not sure if you could have found a more vague goal than you did with 'end up better off' but everyone has different destinations on this path. If I were to offer up my own vague goal so to speak, when one has 'well being' their behavior springs from that source of inspiration to encourage well being in others and not doubt another's path to it. If you don't have any use for finding your own inner meaning of well being but only see it as a waste of time then nobody's path will appeal to you, not even one of your own choosing, whatever form that may be. Or you could spend time mental masturbating about what others may be. @Leo Gura Genuine wisdom and infinite revelation is realized in interrupting one's own silly games.

@ivankiss I know this response may not appear to go directly to your point about presentation, but you may recognize how it does if it is taken in context and follow the effects of it. When someone's priority is 'truth' and 'understanding' it, whatever they trust to be that 'truth' is what they use to measure everything and everyone with. The confidence that is given to it often dissolves the humility one may have had in searching for it. If one is searching for 'truth' that implies not having it, so is naturally a humble state of being, then once one trusts their understanding of what they perceive as 'truth' it can erode that humble state of being. This can effect the behavior of someone in how they interact with others. It is a challenge to remain in the humble state of 'unknowing' as one trusts that they have found, perceive, know and understand the 'truth'. If one can retain that humility, they are an exception because it's psychologically paradoxical state to be. It's more typical, and justifying to the ego, to just behave as if others are 'dumb' because they don't mirror what one trusts as 'truth'. I have attempted to connect the dots to explain what I observe about 'truth' seekers, how it can result in dismissive behavior towards others, and hopefully I did well enough in that it makes some sense.

Once one's awareness abides in liberation, a cessation of self suffering, the notion of 'enlightenment' as it's portrayed is recognized as an infinite gaslight of spiritual 'teachers'.

@hyruga fat oms....lol

This one claims to be a nonbeliever, though they have countless beliefs, including but not limited to believing they are a nonbeliever. The brain evolved to 'believe' as a mechanism of survival. They are still in the 'why what' loop which is an important part of the awakening process and which eventually will evolve to question all the facets of belief like the 'who what', 'where what', 'when what' and 'how what' puzzle pieces. Not to be left out is the 'what what' that is really a 'which what' question. It's the believing mechanism deconstruction, so once one looks inside to see what it is, those questions about it are answered. Nobody has to explain it to you, nobody can explain it to you, it is an ineffable perception in awareness about the nature of believing in consciousness. Then one can become aware of the believing mechanism answer to the question, 'then what'.

I said that it's pretty crazy looking, did your mind interpret that as 'wrong'?

use your imagination

@Carl-Richard I guess we'll see how he play it.

yes

It's pretty crazy looking to spend so much time talking to oneself.

@Carl-Richard The one thing that might derail his Muslim path is how much of his audience is western male so I could just as easily see him taking on Christian preacher tones considering that would allow him to be as much of a flashy materialist as he wants and hold onto the 'changed man' shtick while still appealing to his core audience.

@Carl-Richard I'm basing it on the behavior of people in general, once someone goes through the type of tribulation like Tate is going through now they often come out the other side proclaiming to be a 'changed' person and 'finding' spirituality, god, religion or things like that. While it may be the case he goes to the more known version of it with Christianity or the like, I think he has shown he prefers to be contradictory in some respects and already has 'converted' to Islam. So this is why I suspect he becomes a more 'devout' Muslim. Not like I have any special inside knowledge, just based on his actions. He's already peppered some of his rhetoric with the word 'God' and when he can finally get himself free of the legal issues he probably will try to clean up his image with 'spirituality'. Of course, I won't claim to know for sure how he will go about it, just that people often do after circumstances like he's going through now. I don't expect that it will be a genuine introspection, as it most likely will just be the facade of 'spirituality'. His audience isn't particularly demanding of him to be anything other than the image of something, he's portraying a character. This will be just another performative demonstration for those who want to believe him.

@Carl-Richard You asking me why someone chose to do one thing instead of another? Not sure why you'd think I'd have an accurate answer.

I expect him to go on a 'spiritual' arc at some point but he's already shown his cards, he'll become an even more devout Muslim, changing his name to something like Salaam Ali where he can practice his misogyny fully and have it endorsed by an ancient religion.