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@Nahm But is your God the most Godly? It has to be the truthiest truth, the most infinitely infinite and absolutely absolute or you are mired in the most delusional illusion! The most false deception of misery will consume you unless you hurry on that hamster wheel rushing to the other end of the duality I say it offers freedom from because I have the words... ideas .... beliefs of Truth which has a T that is the most capitalized evar! Once I awakened to the cycle of yearning in my consciousness that creates the hamster wheel in the mind and instead attune my awareness to a contentment in just being present those poles of duality ceased to be the source of suffering in my experience. True and false lost it's power to what is, real and illusion lost it's grip on being, genuine liberation from that cycle.... I'm sure there are many words for it and they are all free.

@Nahm Upon further contemplation I don't really want to be too critical of others expressing their own way but it's unfortunate how people sell belief systems that seem to perpetuate the inner anguish even as it professes to be the solution for suffering. I don't want to speculate on whether people intend to do this or if it's accidental or both but it's never ending words and ideas for hire to 'save' us.

@Nahm I was just being poetic in expressing the infinite and the finite observing itself, any description we use may seem lacking the ability to express the true nature of it. @zazed Even 'before' the big bang unfolded time and space for the manifest to exist there 'was' now and when we be present now in awareness we can observe the unmanifest existence.

Paradox is just an ironic dichotomy. The yearning you speak of is what Buddha meant by desire, it manifests as an existential emptiness longing to be filled. Our body needs nourishment and it drives us with an urge to seek out food, we need to propagate so there is an urge to seek out a mate but in our consciousness, in the mind, this is an impulse to seek out meaning. Contentment in being ceases the spinning of this cycle in our awareness, it's the middle way that transcends the duality. It's an enjoyment, fulfillment and peace that has no opposite because it isn't conditional to be, it's present in every moment that now offers to be it.

@Nahm I'm out on the road right now posting from my phone and didn't intend to get into a deep discussion so tonight when I'm home and can post from the laptop we can continue this further

@Nahm No, but that's what it's taught and sold as.

@Nahm absolute truth @zazed it's not a cup it's a picnic basket.

In the same way I resolve the paradox that we are made of stuff that comes from stars and look at them at the same time....... I smile and enjoy the 'view'.

Oh you finally noticed that abstract ideal they teach people to chase like a carrot on a stick to keep the seekers on the hamster wheel paying for the teaching to believe something that they don't really have either. Congratulations you are really awake now so find fulfillment, enjoyment and peace fron life in just being present in it.

@DocHoliday On second though it did help me.... I used up a couple of those illusory minutes that don't exist, I didn't really need help in using them but it did anyway and now I used a couple more. Though, I will use a few making breakfast now, future me is alot more hungrier than present me is if I don't eat and will be pissed at past me if present me doesn't get it done, gah, present me has to do everything! Yes, very weird movies.

It didn't help me at all.... nope not one bit. I asked myself was that me reading your post? I immediately wished it wasn't me.... yea, I have weird movies.

We are constantly changing, yes, but there is no dying without first living so we can appreciate life and it's changes until the change of death actually comes to pass.

I appreciate your reply, you perfectly illustrate and prove my point by saying 'that's incorrect' expressing it from a binary view, right and wrong. Criticism is expressing disapproval because of perceived flaws, not necessarily actual flaws, but perceived and this is exactly what you did in the very way I suggested happens, from a dualism mindset. The expressing of disapproval is rooted in the right/wrong, good/bad dichotomy, is difficult to break that perspective but it's possible. Critical thinking is an analyzing which isn't limited to a binary view, it encompasses examining in a range of ways to gain a better understanding. It is the genuine expression of 'challenging ideas' and is not synonymous with criticism, it appears you don't know the difference between them. I think you are also confusing me with someone else because most of your post doesn't address any of the two points I made, um...."indefensible"?

Criticism it's just an expression of the duality mindset, it is merely the extension of the right and wrong dichotomy. If one seeks to transcend that duality mindset figuring out how to shape one's life without this judgment is crucial to succeed.

Life is addicting.... so does that make death merely a rehab?

This little phrase jumps out at me because it implies something in light of everything else you said. Yes I want to be caring... I am care full, I do care, though I don't get the impression this is the sentiment you were saying it in. It felt like more of a warning, like I should beware of something and yes, I want to be aware, again if that's what you meant ..... although, again it doesn't appear you did mean that sentiment. There is no doom or devastation if our awareness of the absolute is merely conceptual or limited or veiled in perception, it just is. For my own experience living a fulfilled life, at peace and in joy is the point even if it is an illusion, I just want to enjoy my delusion! I don't need "truth" or "infinite absolute nothingness" or "enlightenment" or whatever attainment of some ultimate abstract to be fulfilled. Just being present, appreciating the moment, embracing life in it's simplest expression has way more effect of dissolving the suffering in my inner life and increasing the enjoyment of my whole experience. Whether it's limited and conceptual only matters is if those concepts and limitations are bringing me misery, if not, so what? I don't set up the conceptual belief that those conditions of limitation prevent my joy. Kitty aint go no time fo dat! Meow!

This post is so thumby....be it every day in every way.... simple.

Sometimes I wonder if the mind will collapse in exhaustion and just give up under the strain of the constant mental masturbation some people put themselves through... or maybe that was your plan all along.

@thesmileyone Allow me to offer my apology to the enlightened master for mentioning what my simple awareness observes.

Just about all of it.

@DocHoliday Well, I know what I must not do and that is to continue on in this conversation. Enjoy your beliefs and live your life as you see fit but I suspect you will still confuse your own personal truth for an absolute one since you really don't have any choice not to..... it must happen, right? So be it.

Our perceptions in awareness appear to be similar in experience.

@Joseph Maynor Even without the accumulation of senses that creates perception on which the mind builds paradigms out of ideas and concepts that we use words to communicate our awareness observes the ever-changing nature of existence.

Why do believe this? Often what contributes to the confusion is that existential truth is also relative.

@Annetta Anything can be constructive, destructive or have no effect at all.... or any mix of them. I have found the more complex it gets the less likely the teaching is relevant to a wide range of perspectives. Which is why 'teachers' often say alot of stuff in hopes just one little bit hits the spot. The issue becomes that someone may believe all or much of what those teachers say based on just one piece of it resonating with them so the clarity of that one grain of guidance often gets covered in a mountain of distraction.