SOUL

I love such a deep cry, one of those tear storms from the cloud burst of compassion...it's soothes my heart and cleanses my mind... I en joy it. I am invigorated by intense experience, one of those adrenaline pumping sense tingling that may be a bit startling, it's stirs my passions and humbles my mortality.... I en joy it. Although, I try not to embrace the rage without a cloak of something else, it scares people...I save that for frenetic drum frenzies that can temper it for those with sensitivities though people may interpret it as they feel the love in my sound, I will agree with them because I love it, too... I en joy it. The waves of sensations can rock the boat but I am the ocean, not the man in the boat trying not to fall because I'm in it and embrace all life, it exists... I en joy it.

@Nahm You sure do love mental masturbating to your beliefs of real and illusion, now change your draws and hug your kids, life exists.

@Nahm The universe exists, do your kids exist? Do you not feed them when they cry that they are hungry? Do you not hug on them when they want your love? Or do you push them away telling them they don't exist? Do you let them starve because their hunger is an "illusion"? It being an illusion is not the same as it doesn't exist..... that is denying existence instead of accepting it. Don't confuse your belief of what it is for what is. When we unite awareness, being and now in our mind of observation it allows for the embracing of life. Stop mental masturbating and live life en joy. I post these because it seems people on here only listen to people saying it in videos but it is what it is.

@Nahm Yes, the timeless and spaceless quantum is shown through the physics collapse of the wave-particle duality.... which isn't really a duality, another example of this mistaken perception, because the wave-particle collapse doesn't happen until a third is introduced.....observation! Awareness, being and now... *poof*....er... *big bang*... manifest existence.

@Nahm Well, awareness and being both take place in a directionless state, a timeless state or to combine those two in the arrow of time doesn't apply, it's in the now. Present moment would be the best directional time phrase to describe it but that still reflects characteristics of something passing that we would be placing attention on, not existing as being aware without the 'wheel spinning'. Awareness, being and now all coexisting in our 'physical manifest observational mind', another phrase that doesn't quite capture the awareness of being aware in being now state thing I'm trying to describe, results in the laughter displayed in that great video posted here even if we don't always gaffaw out loud from the life en joy.

@JustinS I act very much the same way often when I read these posts.... en joy life.

That probably sounded good to you in theory and I don't want to detail every aspect it unravels but simply will point out that I am aware of being.

The mind is the place where endarkenment happens so it's where enlightenment happens.

That first paragraph was a tongue in cheek way of illustrating how people, gurus, 'teachers', seekers and even our own egos often will frame the 'path'. That it has to be the most exemplary form that is the truth and anything but it is viewed as the complete opposite, this framing is done lure us onto the wheel and chase it. That brings me back to my original point that started this exchange, the abstract ideal that is set up as bait to lure us into chasing it. whether it's heaven, nirvana, enlightenment, truth, absolute and on and on. That's what makes it an ideal, it's an idea, a concept but people will believe it's real, a fact, the truth and not just their own personal one but a universal one that is for everyone and everything... because... the bait of perfection, for absolute, for the ONE the only true ONE! It's all built on belief, I could list out every belief people have just to get to the point of believing that one has no beliefs, that it isn't belief... no, it's TRUTH! Even if one wants to deny they have belief, instead to call it fact or reality it relies on a bunch of individual beliefs dependent on one another to support the chain of psychological trust that forms a personal ideology to call something a fact/reality.... but is still belief. Then some will package their own personal belief ideology or adopts someone else's in whole, in part or in combination and 'sell' it to themselves as truth and to others for them buy into as their own belief....even to sometimes literally sell it in books, seminars, satsangs, videos.... religions....to pay money to believe as they do. That is the point in this thread, too, people delude themselves into believing their own belief even that it isn't belief at all but call it a truth, an absolute truth.... the Truth, the ONE Truth. Me? I have awakened to it and just enjoy the trip, enjoy life...whatever it is. Being now here, allow it to be the fulfillment of all potential for what it is. Not try to control it's interpretation and conceptualization or claim some complete knowledge and understanding of it as absolute truth.... do I have it? Can I have it? Maybe... maybe not...does it matter?...Really? I let go of the yearning for it and the wheel stopped spinning....there is peace. If you experience this as well, then, so be it.

@Nahm But is your God the most Godly? It has to be the truthiest truth, the most infinitely infinite and absolutely absolute or you are mired in the most delusional illusion! The most false deception of misery will consume you unless you hurry on that hamster wheel rushing to the other end of the duality I say it offers freedom from because I have the words... ideas .... beliefs of Truth which has a T that is the most capitalized evar! Once I awakened to the cycle of yearning in my consciousness that creates the hamster wheel in the mind and instead attune my awareness to a contentment in just being present those poles of duality ceased to be the source of suffering in my experience. True and false lost it's power to what is, real and illusion lost it's grip on being, genuine liberation from that cycle.... I'm sure there are many words for it and they are all free.

@Nahm Upon further contemplation I don't really want to be too critical of others expressing their own way but it's unfortunate how people sell belief systems that seem to perpetuate the inner anguish even as it professes to be the solution for suffering. I don't want to speculate on whether people intend to do this or if it's accidental or both but it's never ending words and ideas for hire to 'save' us.

@Nahm I was just being poetic in expressing the infinite and the finite observing itself, any description we use may seem lacking the ability to express the true nature of it. @zazed Even 'before' the big bang unfolded time and space for the manifest to exist there 'was' now and when we be present now in awareness we can observe the unmanifest existence.

Paradox is just an ironic dichotomy. The yearning you speak of is what Buddha meant by desire, it manifests as an existential emptiness longing to be filled. Our body needs nourishment and it drives us with an urge to seek out food, we need to propagate so there is an urge to seek out a mate but in our consciousness, in the mind, this is an impulse to seek out meaning. Contentment in being ceases the spinning of this cycle in our awareness, it's the middle way that transcends the duality. It's an enjoyment, fulfillment and peace that has no opposite because it isn't conditional to be, it's present in every moment that now offers to be it.

@Nahm I'm out on the road right now posting from my phone and didn't intend to get into a deep discussion so tonight when I'm home and can post from the laptop we can continue this further

@Nahm No, but that's what it's taught and sold as.

@Nahm absolute truth @zazed it's not a cup it's a picnic basket.

In the same way I resolve the paradox that we are made of stuff that comes from stars and look at them at the same time....... I smile and enjoy the 'view'.

Oh you finally noticed that abstract ideal they teach people to chase like a carrot on a stick to keep the seekers on the hamster wheel paying for the teaching to believe something that they don't really have either. Congratulations you are really awake now so find fulfillment, enjoyment and peace fron life in just being present in it.

@DocHoliday On second though it did help me.... I used up a couple of those illusory minutes that don't exist, I didn't really need help in using them but it did anyway and now I used a couple more. Though, I will use a few making breakfast now, future me is alot more hungrier than present me is if I don't eat and will be pissed at past me if present me doesn't get it done, gah, present me has to do everything! Yes, very weird movies.

It didn't help me at all.... nope not one bit. I asked myself was that me reading your post? I immediately wished it wasn't me.... yea, I have weird movies.

We are constantly changing, yes, but there is no dying without first living so we can appreciate life and it's changes until the change of death actually comes to pass.

I appreciate your reply, you perfectly illustrate and prove my point by saying 'that's incorrect' expressing it from a binary view, right and wrong. Criticism is expressing disapproval because of perceived flaws, not necessarily actual flaws, but perceived and this is exactly what you did in the very way I suggested happens, from a dualism mindset. The expressing of disapproval is rooted in the right/wrong, good/bad dichotomy, is difficult to break that perspective but it's possible. Critical thinking is an analyzing which isn't limited to a binary view, it encompasses examining in a range of ways to gain a better understanding. It is the genuine expression of 'challenging ideas' and is not synonymous with criticism, it appears you don't know the difference between them. I think you are also confusing me with someone else because most of your post doesn't address any of the two points I made, um...."indefensible"?

Criticism it's just an expression of the duality mindset, it is merely the extension of the right and wrong dichotomy. If one seeks to transcend that duality mindset figuring out how to shape one's life without this judgment is crucial to succeed.

Life is addicting.... so does that make death merely a rehab?

This little phrase jumps out at me because it implies something in light of everything else you said. Yes I want to be caring... I am care full, I do care, though I don't get the impression this is the sentiment you were saying it in. It felt like more of a warning, like I should beware of something and yes, I want to be aware, again if that's what you meant ..... although, again it doesn't appear you did mean that sentiment. There is no doom or devastation if our awareness of the absolute is merely conceptual or limited or veiled in perception, it just is. For my own experience living a fulfilled life, at peace and in joy is the point even if it is an illusion, I just want to enjoy my delusion! I don't need "truth" or "infinite absolute nothingness" or "enlightenment" or whatever attainment of some ultimate abstract to be fulfilled. Just being present, appreciating the moment, embracing life in it's simplest expression has way more effect of dissolving the suffering in my inner life and increasing the enjoyment of my whole experience. Whether it's limited and conceptual only matters is if those concepts and limitations are bringing me misery, if not, so what? I don't set up the conceptual belief that those conditions of limitation prevent my joy. Kitty aint go no time fo dat! Meow!