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No one quoted this either...

I find it interesting how you are both accusatory, in seemingly being incredulous about how I could 'know', and also incurious, by not even inquiring about my perspective on it. Maybe it's because you believe you have no choice in being that way. I will give you a vague hint just as a seed of contemplation if you so choose to consider it. In the climate of a culture that had extreme binary conceptual and theological teachings characterized as asceticism and hedonism in pursuit of enlightenment, the Buddha taught the middle way.

Is it a paradox that mysticism can be prepared both very rare and well done while also being neither very rare or well done?

You created the thread selling beliefs and 'knowledge' about free will but I replied implying that I wasn't interested in 'buying' the misperception of free will you are offering here because it is not as such...what you are offering is illusory.

There's nothing to buy and I'm not selling...it is what it is, even if you don't know it.

It's quite obvious, how can you not know this?

It seems to me that people don't understand what 'free will' is...they treat the matter as if it's a binary of extremes, like a light switch, either it's on or it's off. It isn't.

As soon as you submit payment and tell us the secret password that gets revealed in awareness to those who achieve it, the ego death certificate and full god realization diploma will be received.

Have you really though? ...

It's encouraging that you appreciate clear speaking and I also appreciate that you do. I can recognize there may be some cultural linguistic frames of reference at play but even though we may be addressing the same thing we are saying very different things about it. James is saying we 'must' do something in letting go to be effortless and actionless, he tells us to let go of beliefs, ideas, expectations and everything for who 'wants' to be enlightened...want is desire, I would also suspect this is something to let go of too since Buddha listed this as the main thing even though James never mentions it. I was pointing out how this is an action, it's the efforting of beliefs from ideas with an expectation of attaining 'enlightenment'. They are setting up a requirement under conditions that are actually contradictory to what they suggest is the result of it but are just creating separation in between it. This is the topic of the thread and they proclaim it is the reason 'why enlightenment is difficult' I replied this is why it is difficult for them because they created it to be that way and that they are projecting it onto others...imagined others at that because well...teh solipsgasm.

Let go of this thread to be enlightened

We just need to go back to monke

There is no out or in so I, who doesn't exist, cannot do anything because there is nothing to do...

@James123Who is there to help you are alone, we are just figments of your imagination...why are you doing this to yourself?

@Breakingthewall But if they were truly enlightened they are only playing ping pong with themselves...

@James123 What you have is a messiah complex and the path is littered with deluded gurus like this.

@Breakingthewall Just another in the long line of spiritualists who take some drugs then think they are the first and only one to 'see' and 'know' the 'truth'. Just wait a minute...there will be another thread by someone proclaiming it again.... You thinking you are the only one who sees and knows the truth, b-b-but NOT even LEO does!!!! You are simply another young soul that will continue to expand in awareness. The reason it appears you do actually gaf? You keep posting rushing from thread to thread telling others about it thinking you can teach everyone everything. Eventually you will mature in the way of being and realize there is an infinite multitude in the 'oneness' not a solitary magnitude in it, it's ok to be young in the way of being.

@Breakingthewall This isn't my first rodeo, I'm aware of what's going on if my responses didn't clue you in to where I'm at but I'm just performing the part in the play so anyone who may come across this discussion might possibly get some clarity from it.

I guess in the context of 'all spirituality is fake in the illusion' some of the mysticism is useful for well being in transcending what separates someone from it and is different from what is an obstacle to well being but is just a facade of healing that continues to feed separation from well being. It's really difficult to discern the ultimate usefulness to well being from what people present to the world about it. Even if someone intends for only their own gain regardless of well being, another may still reap well being from it and even if the intention is for well being someone may only reap misery and some may believe and display they are seeking well being yet it's really just perpetuating misery. To be fair, some are more obvious than others but it really isn't as clear as it may appear so be aware.

@James123 Don't project your delusions onto others...that isn't helping anyone, not even yourself.

@James123 It's humorous that you felt compelled to answer rhetorical questions, if you are really what you claim to be this thread 'musting' everyone is also quite revealing.

@UnbornTao mates as well.

Therefore, senseless nonsense. Why are people so obsessed with asking 'where'? Or 'who'? More senseless nonsense? 'Where' is the requirement to do something to undo the doing so one can not be doing? 'Who' is it that says anyone 'must' do this? You seem to suggest it would make sense to ask others 'where' is the 'who' that knows what is truth or false? So... 'where' and 'who' can know 'what' is 'truth' or 'false'? This is fun...but still senseless nonsense. 'Where' are 'you' that can let go or be effortless? Online discourse is filled with spiritualism double speak that gets exposed for the senseless nonsense it is with the simplest contemplation. Well, I do enjoy bringing some simple clarity to something that is often clouded with esoteric abstractions. People like to stack up complicated rationale and complex beliefs to create an ideological basis for their psychological machinations. I enjoy stripping those away from my own psyche and will encourage it for others if they wish to. Even as people claim to have no beliefs, no concepts, no self, no nothing nowhere because where is it? Where? Where? Are we there yet? I encourage the letting go of letting go, ceasing the releasing...don't lease it to begin with then no need to release it. I don't say you must not must, you can trust your must if you see fit but project your must on others? Must you? It seems like you enjoy talking, too.

Then there are two more beliefs you have to stop doing to be effortless according to your belief system...it's much simpler to not have self created and imposed conditions for someone to 'do' for awakening and enlightenment. This is efforting in an attempt to be effortless and is like having a process to not have a process. There is no requirement to do something to undo the doing so one can not be doing, this is self created and imposed conditions. The continuous loop of hoop jumping the conditional mind creates is the hamster wheel of methods and practices designed to empower the self. It's feeding the identity obsessed ego to believe it has the 'truth' and another is 'false'. Sometimes the mind chatters, so what. Sometimes emotions arise, it happens. Sometimes the body itches, then scratch. The body does what it does yet we can have awareness that transcends this, not a belief they prevent awakening, or it does.