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Bitcoin maximum cap can be removed by majority consensus I think.

Symbol of stored value to be more precise. It's important distinction, because money, in contrast to real value, can be created and destroyed at whim, while real value like labour, energy, materials can't be. And that explains the rest of your post about how dolar is not so great. Money is just a symbol, that's why it's so volatile.

@Alex_R A lot of misunderstanding and trauma would happen.

So, I have listened to Hamilton Morris more, and he is aware of the possibility of the aforementioned impurity forming. And it has been studied by Dennis McKenna, from his research it turns out N-methyl-Pinoline is a very weak iMAO, so it's a lucky situation it's not dangerous. So it makes the substance impure, but for all practical reasons you can treat it as pure, after adjusting dosages. I would just recommend to be cautious about jumping to high doses when using a new batch, because 40 mg from an old batch might be equal in strength to 30 mg from the new batch.

I have found one trip report where someone unrelated to the psilomethoxin church has attempted growing it themselves. They have grown sclerotia and took it with iMAO, so it's impossible to tell if it's this compund or just 5-MeO-DMT in water absorbed by sclerotia. But has reported it was a different kind of trip and ended up for 9 hours in the Rainbow Light La La Land. Someday I will hopefully verify it myself. But there's plenty of reports on Shroomery that the method doesn't really work. People have tried it in the past for other compunds. Some scientists have succeded in doing that, we have the papers, OK, but has anyone read those papers and checked how much of the substance shrooms have produced, or maybe they just detected a 4-HO compund in fruiting body and left it there. Because the percentage is a very important matter here. The practical knowledge for now says this method doesn't work.

Oh yeah, when you have said it... I have also experienced this on LSD. Makes you move or stop, yhym, true. Kind of like you were praying or something. Very stylized, pronounced movements.

@Craigxt22 It depends on what you mean by testing, baically no-one tests by sending sample to DrugsData or similar, it costs $100. But if you want to know approximately the % of purity then it's needed.

That's what I have believed. Now, I am having suspisicions. People are people, labs might cut corners and make mistakes. It's a not so regulated market after all. Assuming it's lab, because as I have said, there are clandestine homebrew vendors appearing on the Dark Web nowadays.

The fact is people have had problems with it and I present a possible explanation why.

Ah, and this N-methyl-Pinoline fromation can't happen from improper storage conditions, so it has to come from synthesis. There is a phot of another 5-MeO-DMT that has been verified to be around 10% n-methyl-pinoline. The person sending reported something off about the smell to be the reason for sending this sample. If I were to speculate. Maybe the lab synthing the Oxalate didn't have everything right and made mistakes. There was a period when 5-MeO-DMT had been scarecly available, then the Oxalate came in. Maybe it had been a first try synthing using a new method for this lab and they made a mistake, some parts of the vessel heated too much and substance degraded, while they only tested for purity the parts that didn't undergo the reaction that formed n-methyl-pinoline, unaware that something like this could happen. It's pure speculation, but labs are people too, and they learn new stuff all the time. AAAND... the Canadians sell Oxalate no more, just freebase. So maybe there really was somthing offf about this method of producing 5-MeO that resulted in Oxalate salt.

Actually, people do, 5-MeO-tryptamine (mexamine) is widely available and legal in many countries. And Hamilton Morris sold like 10.000 copies of pamphlet with synthesis guidelines for amateur cooks (from mexamine exactly). There are also internet forums for newbies in synthesis, I am not talking about the old school ones that have something to do with bees and wasps, I am saying about new ones that take inspiration from TV series and they trade precursors openly. The N-methyl-Pinoline can't be from cut, because it's a by-product (and doesn't appear anywhere ele on the market) of the reaction if there's too much heat, you can see Hamilton Morris synthing 5-MeO in a mexican lab on YT and using dry ice to keep everything cool. Maybe some amateur lab rats heat it too much, rush things or don't have gear to mix everything drop by drop. Here's a graph comparing pinolene with 5-MeO, it's the same substance, just forming an additional ring. The carbon atom from n-methyl group connects to carbon atom on 2nd postion on the indole part, forming a tryptoline. It's a year old info, but I have just found it out. Then we are... in a not so good situation. I am curious if someone who still has cache of that 5-MeO from back then would be willing to test it if it's really clean.

Do you remember times that many people on these forums were reporting that they have to dose like 40 mg or more of 5-MeO-DMT to feel a strong trip? Many people thought back then "must be my high natural tolerance". No, it wasn't. The 5-MeO-DMT Oxalate back then, the brownish product in salt form for plugging or snorting, had been contaminated with synthesis by products UP TO 50%. It was only 50% 5-MeO-DMT in some cases. So maybe the consideration now should be, that 5-MeO-DMT that is too yellow or too brown is not good. Here's the photo of failed, weak 5-MeO-DMT Oxalate Someone tested a sample that was 100% the byproduct, I hope it's only someone's result of attempting to home synth the chem and not something bought and sold on the streets. Here's the photo of 100% synthesis byproduct: Source: DrugsData.org

@OBEler You have called them dealers, they are scammers. Some newbie reading this might get a wrong idea. There already has been a few people on the forums asking similar questions, "like is buying on IG legit?". So I don't think it's far-fetched to think that someone might read it and get the wrong idea.

These are not dealers These are professional scammers. Never buy anything sold on IG or YouTube comments or TikTok It's rather obvious, but I dunno, some people fall for these scams. Even communication channels like Telegram, where real sellers operate, have scammers.

Movement, physical movement, and inner game. You either have to find sanitary conditions (sometimes it's more sanitary in the wild than in WC, heh) and develop a mindset that no-shit in public toilet will harm you in any way. No fly, and no suboptimally ergonomical toilet seat.

Must be the reason why half of my friends and me included have found our partners on Tinder. Hmm... So much bad reputation it makes me an attractive bad boy, I guess I am vouching for Tinder for finding a long-term partner, if you aren't as focused on looks as Leo and some other guys here, then there's plenty of quality girls on Tinder for you.

I believe life is too messy for such calculations and predictions. Too many variables in the system. 0.1% would not be justified probably, it's often better to be conservative and not intervene for 0.1% of society. Brutal, but action often lead to more harm, by undesired side effects. For example, your theoretical calculations assume certain threshold level to be achieved that is not achieved and the death rate goes up by 0.5%. I know you example is a fun thought experiment, with 100% conviction assured, but life never has such conditions. There's a reason why social science uses p = 0.05 so often, it's hard to be more sure of anything at the scale of society.

He had taken 1g and said "it's cool that it allows you to see 5-MeO, while normal 5-MeO is pure tranclucent light with rainbow on the sides", for me that sounds like it's more visual than 5-MeO-DMT, because it's normal psilocybin, which is more visual. 1 g only, and he hasn't made any effort to compare it to shrooms. Maybe because it's so close to shrooms, because it is shrooms. If they had any proof, they would be throwing it in our faces, I bet. I am talking about the church.

@OBEler there's no science, there is no proof, just a guy saying they have bioassayed it on themselves. So what are the facts: There are some guys growing mushrooms. They say they supplement substrate with 5-MeO-DMT. They claim without proof that this creates 4-OH variant of 5-MeO-DMT, because some shrooms were able to add OH group to THC, or psychedelic DET. Then they ground the mushrooms and put them into capsules. ... For me that's normal mushrooms in low doses, the experiences that people describe match. Potentially normal mushrooms with some 5-MeO in them. No-one proved anything yet about this. Even if mushrooms create 4-ho-5-meo-dmt, then what is the potency, what is the perentage of weight? How much psilocybin is still in them? They might be just normal illegal mushrooms with fancy marketing hoping no-one ever verifies. I mean, those guys have patented the name before doing any serious chemical analysis of the shrooms. That's not a good sign.

I am so sceptical about this whole ordeal. Even Martin Ball is not changing this. For me they all are just mushroom microdose placebo enjoyers. I will believe it when I see it analyzed by some scientist proving there's anything other than psilocybin and micro amounts of normal 5-MeO from on purpose contamination in those mushrooms. It's all so anti-science. Big proclamations based on unproven thories. No wonder they have called themselves "church".

For sure, I have a friend who vomits on any psychedelic, even DPT for example. I never vomit, only feel slightly nauseous on high doses of 4-ho tryptamines, doesn't matter synthetic or shrooms. I guess the reason Leo is of opinion that shrooms make you nauseous but synthetics not is that he never dosed shroom-like tryptamine in 50+ mg dose.

@StarStruck man, please hide this senseless attack on someone's apperance here is a dictionary for you: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/like the cat that ate%2Fgot%2Fswallowed the canary

ChatTopAlmostRightButNotReally Psychedelics usually have unnoticable affinity for 5ht3 receptor, BUT in humans they may stimulate production/release (I don't know scientifically correct terms, sorry, no time to check) of chemicals that do, be it sertotonin or else. That's the logic behind taking Kola Nut to reduce 5-MeO-DMT induced nausea and bodyload. Kola nuts share 5ht3 mechanism of action with ginger, but also lemons to some degree, and few other anti-nausea solutions. Natural versus synthetic distinction is meaningless. Most plants are natural and dangerous, especially the ones you could mistake for wild carrots. The fact is though, mushrooms are generally way less dangerous than plants, usually if you misidentify mushrooms they taste really bad or make your stomach hurt, but don't destroy your body. Natural plants can really mess you up quickly if you have foraged them yourself and misdentified somewhere along the way. Doesn't mean mushrooms can't turn your liver into goo and kill you, some can. There's more arguments if you want to hear them.

@no_name no if assumed toxins are water-sollubke. Yes, if they are not and you discard shroom body.

@Leo Gura shrooms don't make you wanna vomit at all if you drink or eat ginger beforehand. And soaking them in lemon juice removes any taste, so, I am not sold on that they are inherently toxic. I am a mushroom lover though, I mean normal edible mushrooms. I have been siding with the synthetic side of the debate, but nowadays I can see that with proper consumption tek shrooms are great too.