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@Leo Gura with all due respect I see more childish and angry behavior when Bernie supporters talk about Yang supporters. On the Yang supporter side they've actually acknowledge the good that Bernie has done and don't really have a beef with his supporters.

Berners... like a pack of hungry wolves who found a bone. sigh....

I have to agree with him here Leo. I remember when I put on this forum several times how annoyed I was of not being able to find a job. I was frustrated and annoyed that it seemed no matter what I did I just wasn't getting my foot in the door and people were shunning me. I don't come from a "rust belt" state I live in California. All the time I put how frustrated I was at my jobless situation it felt like I was not getting empathy just being told "it's OK you have no right to complain just try harder" that's a terrible response! I'm just letting you know this so you can understand what a big deal joblessness and feeling you have nothing to do actually is. Even with a job you want that job to provide you with a sense of fulfillment and purpose instead of just feeling like a mindless drone and Yang seems to be the best one who understand that and it seems to me Sanders doesn't.

@Progress agreed.

Right that's what I think of when I think of Bernie Sanders. I just got so frustrated when he dismissed the UBI idea and talked about the jobs guarantee. He says we need this that etc. I even remember when Leo said he'd be driven to commit suicide if he got one of those boring jobs (i.e. postal worker) where you just had to repeat the same thing everyday with no variety and/or creativity and if those are the jobs that come with the guarantee then it seems that Leo doesn't seem to give a shit about those people that'll actually end up with jobs like that because if they'd refuse those jobs they'd end up impoverished and miserable.

So you think that we'll go extinct because technology takes all the jobs away from us. Why can't we just rethink the economy all together and what actual value means? Why not have a world of abundance and work will be obsolete and mankind can be free to create and explore to their hearts content. It can be a renaissance of the likes we've never seen before.

I know I guess that ever since I was at a certain age and all these frustrating things kept happening in my life, I was unhappy, and didn't know who to turn to for help or guidance I thought there was an ultimate answer. With this "ultimate answer" it would put an end to my problems, suffering, pain etc. and Leo looked like the person that I could go to to get the answer. Then with that I'd finally be "free" I just have to come to terms that maybe something like that just doesn't exist. Even before Leo I thought I'd get it from my Judaism but, when I went deeper and deeper into Judaism and how strict it was I just ended up getting more and more depressed. Then I thought it was with enlightenment but, even Leo says practical matters still go on after that.

@Raptorsin7 Agreed. This is so freaking weird. Looking at Leo for all this time as the most non bias non ideological pragmatic person that does his due diligence and keeps us in check when we are acting like devils and now having to look at him with the same kind of lens he looks at us. Anyway nobody is perfect. I think this is awesome because it shows how not culty this community actually is and how everyone is growing even Leo.

@Raptorsin7 I know he showed me this in a private message and I rebutted with this

$12,000 > $0 also it helps keep you afloat when you are transitioning.

Right Leo usually digs deep, does research and is usually in tune with certain "things". It's unfortunate that now he seems to want Bernie because he has an emotional investment with him rather than actually looking at hard facts and data.

Fair enough @Leo Gura we'll just have to see how they debate each other. I really want to see Bernie's response to Yang's criticism of the UBI vs FJG that should be in the month of November. I'm hoping if it is Bernie he adopts the UBI but, I'm still with Yang.

https://www.salon.com/2019/10/09/joker-todd-phillips-indictment-neoliberalism-violence/

@TheAvatarState *nodding my head in agreement*

@Leo Gura I think Yang is more progressive than Bernie. Let the best person win. https://medium.com/basic-income/there-is-no-policy-proposal-more-progressive-than-andrew-yangs-freedom-dividend-72d3850a6245 And Yang would absolutely demolish Trump. I know a ton of former Trump supporters who almost automatically switch to him.

That's cool Leo but, I feel that Yang is more in the middle than Bernie is. Trump or no Trump this coming election if Sanders gets elected how can he ever work with the Republicans/Conservatives to get things passed? I feel that Yang can at least meet them half way but, more to the left side.

Hear hear couldn't have said it better myself.

I think it's a difference between a MLK type and a Malcolm X type

@Leo Gura such as...

You're right Leo I agree. Yang has over 100 policy proposals that are all relevant to the 21st century. I doubt that Sanders tackles as many issues that Yang does. Also Yang is running on Sanders legacy. Yang actually voted for Sanders when Sanders was running. The problem I see is that free college and $15 minimum wage does nothing to address people not being able to actualize themselves because when a job is out of reach or you have a job you hate and it only give the bear minimum it's really hard to spend time on thinking of anything other than basic survival needs. https://www.yang2020.com/policies/

@remember Think about this.

Money = Power

@remember the basic income being spent will create jobs. What country are you from then?

@Leo Gura This is why I think a Universal Basic Income is a much better idea than a raise of $15 an hour. When Sanders helped these employees get to $15 an hour their hours were cut