Ananta

Ok, so here's my version, when one has thoughts of an object (subtle or gross) it creates desire/fear, it strengthens the longer one thinks about it, creating attachment, attachment seems to create action, action creates karma. All of this perpetuates the ego and so on goes the wheel of Samsara. Crikey, I see I have a few replies "above" to read!

I've already had the cosmic laugh...yeah, it's great. I'm speaking now from the point of view of the "apparent person" and it's thoughts. Yes, I know I'm not it, but "it" still has an apparent body and life that "I" (awareness) am associated with...and will be until the death of the body.

I understand the concept of what you're saying, but it isn't translating to "normal daily life", to say not to have thoughts that move from what-is, as if I have control over that. To say, don't "identify" with the thoughts that arise, because they're not "my" thoughts...now that makes sense, but that doesn't seem to be what you're saying.

Alright, guess it's not possible to have a geniune, normal conversation with you right now. So, never mind. See no arguement. Just wanted to understand better.

Ok, I get that...just for conversation purposes (not debate), using your example, would you say that the thought- "perhaps I should meditate or do Self inquiry", wouldnt be a worthy thought in that example? Even though it would perpetuate thought "now", it may eliminate thought in the future. Nothing wrong with "how to"s if it helps peeps understand what you are trying to say. Why say it, if you're not understood.

Ok, so, no examples. That's fine.

I'm not trying to hassle you, but I'm actually requesting to have practical examples? Like from your daily life. Basically, how you walk the talk, so to speak.

Hehe... u funny.

Lol yeah, that doesn't work too well.

Kay, so do you have an example of what your thinking is like? You say, "any movement from what-is" is this, that and the other. We all have thoughts, we all have desire/fear, even If we don't act or identify with those desire/fears. We all have problems/challenges that arise, that have to be dealt with in some way. So, what are practical examples of what you are trying to say? What are you saying folks should and shouldn't do, in your view. Thanks

It seems as though everything in the cosmos has a polar opposite or thats how it's percieved by the action figure. Anyway, do you only watch nice, happy movies? Or do you sometimes watch a horror flick or tear jerker drama? We have until the end of time to entertain ourselves, why not mix it up?

Yeah, if the brain is perfectly healthy it should run the body functions and senses smoothly, if not, then there will be deficits to contend with for the "apparent" person. For example - "Parkinson's disease (PD) is a degenerative, progressive disorder that affects nerve cells in deep parts of the brain called the basal ganglia and the substantia nigra. Nerve cells in the substantia nigra produce the neurotransmitter dopamine and are responsible for relaying messages that plan and control body movement."

@Santhiphap "Q: My ego is afraid that if I totally let go, I will forget my appointments and forget to take care of business. I’m telling my ego that this is not what happens, but it would be nice to hear it from you. Also, how do we take care of business when we have totally let go? Adya: When you are letting go, you are letting go into a higher order of truth, reality, and love. It is scary because you are essentially letting go of control, or the illusion of control. And you are letting go of the morbid comfort of the old, conditioned, and the predictable. So it feels like taking a bit of a risk, a leap of faith you could say. But, when you are ready you will let go in spite of the fear, not because you have overcome the fear. It is only your mind that frightens you with images of not being able to do what you need to do in your daily life. Remember that it is a higher order of truth that is calling you to let go. ~ Adyashanti "The Way of Liberation" Study Course

Your welcome. I was hesitant, but it was so long ago, it really doesn't bother me. Anyways, I started with Tolle, but don't read his stuff so much anymore. I think he's great for beginners though. "And yes I meant self realization. Im just using words.. as long as we are on the same page.. " Ok, gotcha!

Think of a computer, there is the hardware, the software and electricity that all is needed to make it function. If one of these things is damaged or not working, then the computer won't work. So, in this example, the hardware of the computer would be the apparent persons body/brain, the software program would be the persons mind (with its god given programming- vasanas, gunas, etc), the electricy..this is awareness- that illumines the entire process and allows it to function. All analogies are imperfect and break down eventually. For instance, this one doesnt state that that hardware/software of the computer is also created out of and within awareness.

There are 3 different perspectives one can speak from- Awareness, God, individual apparent person. 1) Awareness/absolute- this is the perspective @Leo Gura seemed to be speaking from where there is nothing "real" happening here from its perspective, all it sees is itself. (Even though awareness has no mind to actually have a perspective) 2) God / Isvara- From this perspective we are only an aspect of God. God being the creator, destroyer and sustainer of the universe- God is the whole cosmos, not a big person in the sky. We (as individuals) are puppets and God is the puppeteer. God (vasanas, gunas, karmas, etc) determine our programming, therefore all is predetermined. 3) The individual/apparent person- From this perspective we are seperate persons with bodies and minds we think are "ours" and have "free" will. It seems the OP's question came from this perspective. So, if we are discussing from different perspective levels then communication will fail.

Yes ...and once you're fully convinced that you are awareness, then that knowing/ realization replaces the I am the body/mind thought. I'm Self-realized, but won't claim "enlightenment". Plus, really, who would claim it? The most that could be said is that one understands that their true nature is awareness and they have assimilated this fact and therefore are "liberated from dependence on objects- subtle and gross". I'm still not done assimilating. Sooo, as to your question, why I wasn't afraid. The truth is that I'm a suicide survivor (a decade ago). The ego already went through the ultimate fear, it wanted to be extinguished and it gave up on life. Anyway, I survived and 6 months later when I read Tolle (and others) and started Self inquiry ego liked the fact that maybe it would just disappear for good. Within a year after starting I had my first true awakening and recognized the unreality of the ego. I became Self-realized.

@Faceless It was a rhetorical question. "A rhetorical question is a figure of speech, in the form of a question, that is asked to make a point, rather than to elicit an answer."

@Leo Gura My question is how can you stand all of these questions, lol.

Thanks for the update, glad the fear/anxiety wasn't as bad this time. I really haven't had that, so can't advise regarding it. Im really not afraid to die...not that "you", the "real" you will die. It wont. Keep letting go... you'll see for yourself.

@Mikael89 Nice!

Good, cause I'm a little tired and not in the mood. You enjoy your non-teaching and I'll enjoy my teaching. Lol

I'm the only one in the thread that cited a tradition. Was this directed to me? Was I suppose to comment?