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@Jack River I would also say, perhaps you should try neti-neti method yourself? To get your other questions answered. I'm just not sure what you're asking really.

@Jack River Identification as the false self, needs to transfer to identifiction with awareness. Already described above by @Preetom . My take is that awareness will still have an "association" with the body/mind, transact business in the world, have preferences and what not, but there won't be the "belief/identification" that the body/mind is real and it's true identity.... it's only "apparently" real and ultimately a illusion.

No No No Discrimination, between me (awareness) and objects that appear within me, this happens in the intellect.

Jack river- "Neti neti, meaning, "Not this, not this", is the method of Vedic analysis of negation. It is a keynote of Vedic inquiry. With its aid the Jnani negates identification with all things of this world which is not the Atman, in this way he negates the Anatman. Through this gradual process he negates the mind and transcends all worldly experiences that are negated till nothing remains but the Self. He attains union with the Absolute by denying the body, name, form, intellect, senses and all limiting adjuncts and discovers what remains, the true "I" alone." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neti_neti

@Jack River That's a different conversation. I didn't say anything about "who am i"? I was referring to neti-neti (not this, not that), which is "now" (present moment), not past.

Meditation helps to get a calm/still mind, but Self-inquiry is essentially a matter of applying the general principle that you cannot be what you “see” (i.e., anything you perceive, conceive, or experience in any way whatsoever, subtle or gross, within or around you). Then, what's left, that's the question? Oh, pick one? Self inquiry any day of the week! (If you already can get your mind calm/still in another way other then meditation, like watching a spiritual video or listening to soothing music)

Same as Ramana Maharshi - https://www.sriramanamaharshi.org/ramana-maharshi/death-experience/ (His account of his awakening/ death experience)

That's exactly what made it a flow state..."you" weren't there. It's a beautiful thing! Lol

Ego is the "sense" of being an individual, separate entity that experiences, which isn't actually problematic, unless you believe it's real and your true identity.

@universe yes, the trailer doesn't do it justice. The first half of the movie is building the plot. So, there is some violence (guns, etc), but trust me a deeper meaning unfolds. I've watched this movie at least 3 times.

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A great movie is "Lucy", if u haven't seen it. It's a newer movie, so didn't influence me personally to go into spiritual work, but may influence someone else. So figured I'd mention it.

Exactly. "Nondualism, also called non-duality, means "not two" or "one undivided without a second"."

@winterknight Not to be disrespectful, but you are not being truthful and I feel badly for the ppl here on this thread that are believing what you're selling. You have a spiritual ego and it's eating up all the attention you are getting from ppl that don't know any better. Peace out. I have better things to do.

Language is dualistic and the best we have to communicate. Um, yes, the "beyond mental" IS the true Self (capital S), but what does that have to do with what I asked you? You seem to want to only answer from the Self (aka, awareness) perspective. Ppl who do that just deny, deny, deny (there is no thought, there is no person, etc) and that is the basis of their supposed "teaching".. (no offense). Its a "neo" advaita tactic and only gets the seeker so far. Yes, you identify as Self/awareness (you) and not the apparent person, but you are still "associated" for better or worse until the body dies. So, why deny it??

Hello Winterknight, Yes, it's the end of suffering that is the point really. I mean what else, well, of course knowing the ultimate truth, that's the other. Not some fantasy some ppl try to portray enlightenment to be. I mean really what's looking is what all are looking for, yes? Having that flash of realization, then assimilatin that onto ones apparent life. That's enlightenment, as far as I'm concerned. I find this comment of yours interesting- "But from the seeker's standpoint, it will seem as if the illusion goes on." My apologies I couldn't quote it with the other quote (or I don't know how). So, for you, you are not still associated with the body/mind/sense complex (aka, person)? It is not "within" your awareness,... here and now?

I disagree, the illusion exists, its just not ultimately real. When students say to the master...."I dont exist". The master wacks them over the head with a board and says, "now do you exist?"

@IVONNE No problem (btw, it was 11 yrs ago when I graduated), one lady in my nursing class was 50!

I was 34 when I started nursing school at a University and 37 when I graduated. My age didn't matter.

Not sure what change you mean? The only change though, for me, was I was no longer a nicotine addict.

I took a week off work to reduce stress and interaction with ppl and just did it cold turkey. It's the best way. Ate a lot of junk food too the first week. ???

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Um, if u buy vape with nicotine it's just as addictive as cigarettes. I vaped for 5 years, so I know what I'm talking about. Yes, it got me off cigarettes, but became just as crippling over time as I vaped constantly. I quit vaping and went through terrible withdrawal, but now I no longer smoke or vape. Don't vape instead of smoking, just quit smoking or you are switching one evil for another.

@Mikael89 I'm sorry for your sadness. ??? I like you very much. I think you are a very nice guy!!! I wish I could help you out of this depression? Hang in there!?