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@Water by the River It's interesting that you bring up Artem. I'll post below one of his main thesis on levels of enlightenment. Can you elaborate where your and his views are the same and where they differ? It's especially confusing that Artem claims that even consciousness/infinity are still levels of dreaming and not the final enlightenment, while you point to 'empty pure impersonal infinite consciousness' as the final abode in the process of enlightenment. From Artem's Quora post: https://www.quora.com/What-are-the-levels-of-enlightenment/answer/Artem-Boytsov "There are no levels of enlightenment, but there are levels of dreaming, and every level has its own layer of bondage, which you progressively shed as you move towards the center: On the outer level of dreaming, you are a person in the body, looking outside of the body into the physical world and relating to other persons. You are a slave of society. On a deeper level of dreaming, you are a soul occupying the body and you relate to other souls on an energetic level. You are a slave of your emotional energy. On a deeper still level of dreaming, you are consciousness/God, a being of pure compassion and unconditional love, you are everything and everyone, the deepest form of love. You are a slave of love. On the deepest level of dreaming, you are Brahman, the totality of all existence, infinity beyond manifest, you are truly nothing, eternity, the deepest form of peace. You are a slave of death. When all dreaming ceases, you are just a hairless monkey walking on a ball of rock, eating, pooping, living and not imagining things that are not there. You are now free. Each level of the dream has its own amount of fun and beauty, and very few people go all the way, because each level is covered by its own layer of suffering. Embodiment of unconditional love is extremely fun and very rewarding. Being mentally dead while your body is alive is very peaceful, very restful, very blissful, that’s Buddhahood. When you’re dreaming on the outer layers, the inner layers are there, too, they’re just in your unconscious. As you go from the outer layers towards the center, the dreaming becomes more and more subtle, you become progressively more free. The last level, the Brahmanic level, is the most subtle. It’s almost no dreaming at all. Most people who are awake have awakened from one level of dreaming into a deeper level of dreaming. So their dreaming became a little bit more lucid. “It’s all a dream” as they say. Enlightenment is not awakening into your dream, it is awakening from your dream, entirely. It’s when all dreaming ceases and the mind doesn’t dream anymore."

I attended Rupert's online satsang and asked him directly about his stance on solipsism and recorded an audio of the conversation we had. IMO Rupert kept beating around the bush, maybe also partly because my inquiry might have been not concise enough. Apologies in advance if I didn't manage to include all objections that have been made by you guys in the many posts about that topic. I tried my best to get Rupert to give an definite answer to that question. Here's a link to the audio (12 min): https://sndup.net/kgy3/

He is tough to listen to, but he has a point. Also, he quotes a lot of info from this book: https://www.amazon.com/Caffeine-Blues-Hidden-Dangers-Americas/dp/0446673919/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3J4OJVKQMY1OG&keywords=coffee+blues&qid=1692204988&sprefix=coffeblues%2Caps%2C187&sr=8-1 Thoughts?

Crazy. New footage shows, how coordinated the attack by Hamas was. They really just had one goal: kill as many civilians as possible.

This Russian cartoon wolf, that you posted once on the blog?

Exactly, the answer is no! This 5sense experience, although no other than the infinite itself, is the only experience accessible. So @Osaid how do you hold/view other POVs/experience packages? Where are they, if they are not accessible to you (as Awarness) right here/now? Are you, as the Infinite, playing a multi-player game or are you playing a single player game?

Agreed. There can be nothing 'outside', as this here/now is already infinite, boundless Awarness (groundless ground) expressing itself as this particular manifestation (particular POV). Realizing this, it becomes cristal clear, that every other being, like all appearances taking place, are literally made out of the same essence, Your essence, as unbounded Awarness. Agreed. I never talked of any other Awarnesses being outside. I'm talking about the manifestation part (another beings life experience), being held 'somewhere else' in Your Absolute Awarness. This is nothing that can be directly accessed/realized, and still you say because you can realize that all manifestation is made of the same essence, that this proves that you, as Absolute Awarness, are having these experiences of other beings 'outside' of this very experience, that's taking place here/now. The only thing realized here/now, is the ground of all existence, as unbounded Awareness. Indiras net, and there being experiences of other beings held, in some non-euclidian way in your very own Awarness, is a belief structure held in mind.

I agree with all what you say here, though I feel like you are still avoiding the elephant in the room. Although it's true that by realizing your True Nature, your POV has been recontextualized as having been the Absolute all along, 'other' 5 sense experiences (other beings POV's) do not take place for you simultaneously. I hear you, that Infinite Consciousness can perceive an infinite array of lives simultaneously (through non euclidian geometry/trans-logical mode of operating, like the picture tries to imply), like the eye of a fly can see many different frames at once (split-screen style). But as this is not directly accessible (sober state style), it can only be held as belief. Realizing the Absolute does not comes with realizing that other lives/5 sense experiences are taking place 'outside of space' for you. Btw, I hold a similar view, that these perspectives are all superimposed on each other, and accessible simultaneously by the one and only Infinite Consciousness, in a trans-logical/trans-geometrical way, incomprehensible from this 5 sense body/mind limitation (so we are on the same page here). But still, I am aware that the part with 'multiple POVs taking place outside', is held as belief, as there is no way of 'breaking out of' being the Absolute as one single perspective at a time, and suddenly experiencing multiple perspectives at once (at least not in the sober state).

But the 'Interiority' would also have to include their mind stream, which you do not have access to, have you? Where do you derive this conclusion (other than from belief), that you have forgotten other perspectives in space, if you are not directly conscious of that?

Well, in non-dual direct realization all sense percpetion are realized as impersonal, empty Awarness. When you say 'other beings', it's really just part of your visual field. How to you make the transition, that this aspect of the visual field, for example 'another being', is being experienced by (the same) infinite awarness at the same time, but 'outside' your visual field?

Have you become conscious of being/having other POVs simultaneously to yours (as infinite awarness), like the image displays or do you hold this as belief?

Is that you?

But the Absolute and the Manifest are one Totality, one Wholeness that cannot be seperated. How can you say then, that the Absolute is not also Unconditional Love, or that it is something that can be somehow reduced/turned off?

@Water by the River What do you make out of teachings like 'The Course in Miracles', 'The Law of One' or 'Bashars Channelings', that state that Unconditional Love is the frequency of existence itself and that love is the essence and the fundamental force in All That Is, encompassing all aspects of existence itself?

@Osaid Sincere question, not trying to bait you here: What is Unconditional Love?

But even that 'switched off manifestation' is not permanent, because it never stays that way, the infinite Singularity always emerges back (or has never actually left). Like Bashar says, everything changes, except for the fact that everything changes. @Water by the River Out of curiosity, what is your realization on Metaphysical Love? If I understand you correctly, you view that as something that can be switched off / something that is not permanent, not fundamental to reality?

The same way you can tune into your fullness aspect (becoming infinite), by having a cessation you 'tune in' (or tune out/unbecome) to the Nothingness that you already are. Why do you hold the Absolute, as in no manifestion/cessation type, superior to the Absolute as the Infinite Singularity? I understand your guidance here, to cut every concept until the mind itself collapses in on itself until reality (groundless, unbound, eternal, impersonal Consciousness) shines forth in its radiant splendor (as it always already was, just obstructed by mind/self-arisings). But the fullness aspect of your true nature is a not concept of unconditional love, it is pure energy. And the word that comes clostest to describing that energy in human language is unconditional love. And you are that infinite Power Source as much as you are Nothing at all.

@Water by the River It's like you have music. Yes it is always music at all times, under all cirumstances, but its volume can increase/decrease. Similar analogy with the light, it is always light, but can shine brighter or less bright, depending on its proximity to the sun

Unconditional Love is not a roll-out pattern of the Absolute, and does not fall into the same category as any higher realms or the N+1's you mention. When I use the word Uncondtitional Love, I do not intend to use it in its dualistic sense (as in opposites) but as an Absolute. Because Nothingness is the Infinite Singularity. Nothingness has no qualities/no limitations and is simultaneously also the radiating Power Source of all Creation. And that very quality of its radiation is Unconditional Love.

Consciousness is both, it is one Truth always accessible, and it also comes in degrees of intensity. Just like a ray of sun can realize that light is its fundamental nature, while moving closer back to the source/sun, it can merge with its source to a greater degree and hence realize/radiate/embody more of its own intensity. And yes, light is still its fundamental nature at all times. But not all the light is accessible at all times, for example when the light of consciousness is broken through the 5 sense prism/aggregates called human experience. It should give you to think, what teachings like 'The Course in Miracles' or all the NDE reports bring back, @Osaid you dismissed them way to easily as just being ephemeral and something that is solely hold in memory. In particular NDE'lers report that what you are right now, is already fundamentally unconditional love, just that when consciousness unties of the filters of human perception (like upon death), a much greater degree of that unconditional love is accessible to itself. Just like LuciaLorn teaches, awareness is present in all experience, but consciousness can begin to unfold/open up to the greater expanse of its infinite wholeness. So Consciousness (as in the fundamental nature) and the degree of it's own intensity are one and cannot be reduced to just its fundamental nature. This is where Peter Ralsont has not become conscious of the degree of light/unconditional love that he can radiate as / embody / realize (and where I agree with @Leo Gura) , because his consciousness, like all of us, is limited by the 5 sense prism, which allows to fully realize your true nature itself, as absolute consciousness, but is limited to which degree your true nature (as unconditional love) can be realized / shine forth. You are the Absolute, but the degree to which you radiate as unconditional love varies depending the limitations you have placed upon yourself. And that unconditional love is not something the Absolute is manifesting, but it's the very quality of itself. I know @Water by the River that you write that the Absolute manifests the Infinite Singularity, as in giving birth to it. This is where I would like to differ, and just as LuciaLorn wrote, the Absolute shines forth as Unconditional Love/the Infinite Singularity, those two have never been separate, they are one and always have been. Just like the Yin/Yang sign portraits.

@Water by the River Great, thanks!

Do you have/recall resources that give you an in-depth technique rundown on Trekchö/Togyal-practices? Which Wilber book is that?

@Water by the River So where do you see the difference between full enlightenment how you view it and Rainbow Body enlightenment? How come some masters realize the rainbow body (full dissolution into light) before the physical body dying, while other manifest it upon death where they only leave hair and nails, while other masters don't manifest it at all despite being fully enlightened?

@Water by the River How would you know, you are not mistaken Nothingness for Pure Divinity? I understand that your measuring stick for full enlightenment is the complete falling away of seperate-self arisings (however sublte). This is already the case upon realizing Nothingness. But still, a few teachers manage to go a step further and realize Pure Divinity. To quote David Buckland on Pure Divinity: "It is not easy to describe as it is without form. It is prior to all creation and any distinctions. But it is with a power and potency beyond conception. We discover even infinite consciousness that contains all of creation is but a pale shadow of divinity." In another blog article he writes: "Before awakening, we engage in self development. This is a person getting to know its strengths and limitations and moving towards self-actualization. Most people are oblivious to their own cosmic nature. After awakening and throughout the development of the stages of Self Realization (Cosmic Consciousness) and Unity, the focus shifts to infinite and eternal consciousness. This is discovering our deeper nature and its dynamics. It is consciousness getting to know itself in essence, then in forms and phenomena. And yet, just as the person obscured our deeper nature, the screen of consciousness acts as a covering for what is beyond it. This is just like a movie screen hides the speakers and equipment behind it. When we go beyond consciousness and the subtle duality of Being, we have the chance to recognize the origins of consciousness. We can see how alertness and liveliness stir each other into Consciousness, then Consciousness becomes aware of itself and expression begins. Consciousness becomes its own observer and screen. Beyond consciousness is Nothingness. Nothingness knows itself. We might say Nothingness is conscious but is not self-interacting, just self-knowing. And yet, what is the origin of those core aspects of consciousness? What motivates any experience at all? Nothingness doesn’t answer this. When we settle deeper into Pure Divinity, the source of the source, we come to know the origins of all. And yet Pure Divinity is uncreated. It is sufficient to itself. This latter development is primarily a development of clarity and refinement. We have gone beyond consciousness so cannot know Divinity through that. As with Nothingness, the pure divinity of Pure Divinity can be known only by itself. The first stage of Pure Divinity requires it be recognized in the physiology. We have to be it to know it. This may be experienced subjectively as Divinity moving in to the cosmic body (which would already be recognized as one with the local body, hence experienced “here”). Of course, Divinity was always here but because of the nature of Shakti to flow, the opening can be experienced as flowing in. This is essentially the alertness value of Divinity coming on-line here. We also recognize the flows of consciousness are actually the flows of the Shakti’s of the Divine. In time, there is a dissolution of the sense of a distinct cosmic body. It and the physical form merge into a body of divinity. All become aspects of one totality. In Pure Divinity, Stage 2, I outlined a second stage of this – a deeper embodiment of Divinity in a descent, and a further shift from the Nothingness perspective. This is in the nature of the profoundly networked Shakti and a taste of the self-knowing of Divinity. Stage 3 is like another awakening but vastly more subtle. The shift can be like a quiet click. Then it kicks in. This time, it is liveliness coming on-line, the power of Divinity. This is the power that gives rise to all experiences in all time in all beings in all universes simultaneously. Its potency cannot be over-estimated. When it kicks in, it has a rather large value of intensity that takes longer to adjust to than prior openings. As before, the alertness amps way up in our normal daily experience. The awakeness in deep sleep becomes greater than that of the prior waking state which was already vastly more awake than earlier. I’m not sure how much of this is standard and how much related to the process here. Others are having a similar process but language is tricky in such profound abstraction. There is always variations in emphasis and what is noticed.”