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@clouffy I feel the same. I have difficulties finding people that I can be me with. Yet, when I seek out events where I could find people that I could connect with this greatly increases the chances of finding other individuals, who have similar interests and are not too much into wanting to be in a group and rather want to have a good time. If you get depressed by being around others, at best find some people who you do not feel depressed and who are not toxic, joining some team sport which is not too competitive for instance depending on preference, or going to a meditation center which has a tradition in place, so you could check out the group dynamics and see if it is cult like in advance via reference. Depending on where you are from you could get some great advice here. on the froum P.S I still want to do Hatha Yoga and meet hot girls, but this is just strictly denied here in this city.

Now I hear sheeps. Great. If someone could riddle me the mule riddle I would find that fantastic.

@Leo Gura I know. I just find it odd, that people can't entertain the overall idea. It is good when some stuff is re-framed. It still hurts sometimes. Who are visionaries and geniuses you would recommend reading about? I have the booklist. Because I would conflate geniuses and visionaries with academics or famous entrepreneurs. The most "conscious" would be Rupert Sheldrake imo. I am sometimes just amazed how deeply some academics would benefit from spiritual practice and how some of them embody these aspects extremely well, without knowing about them(stages and spiral dynamics, not spirituality). They are teaching at least the perspective. Especially, since the people here are artsier(in my studies tech/media/design) it is not as strict and I feel they would allow unfolding the stages, yet I still feel they are stuck inside the system. I truly do not understand why they create a lecture at a small university, that even to them seems boring. Some abuse it to have a good time. But, at least there is fun and you can ask questions. Yes, I was curious if Shinzens mindfulness system work with shadow work, because it is a remodeling of vipassana and vipassana, hinders shadow integration according to Wilber. That is how the conversation about these stages occurred in the first place, with the other person revealing her 38 years experience of yoga and recently starting shadow work while knowing and having experienced cult behavior. I was curious if I made progress and if someone shares what he or she knows.

@Leo Gura That there are other people who are doing a spiritual practice and use the same framework from Wilber which helps to explain stages and state-stages. Also, I assume that many things you say are correct. But I do not have the relevant experience. Also, that the person has experience in these realms. Nothing more than, besides additional information and opinions. @Andreas Why do you think that?

@Andreas What do you mean with that? I don't understand how a single post defines a whole person.

@Leo Gura I can see that and be attentive to the possibility that some know and don't have data or hide the information. Like Susan-Cook-Greuter. I wrote with someone and asked her to explain her yoga practice in the subtle releam I am quoting her know. She has a Ph.D. + 38 years of experience in this yoga path. Also, she wrote that some gurus did the general cult thing, drugs, sex, exploitation etc. Also, that some persons are saint-like and miracles happened around them. I did consider the perspective of exploiting her data. But I am not revealing her identity or revealing anything that is out of the ordinary. Also, the 3-2-1 process worked great for her and that it is similar to jungs active imagination theory( or fritz pearls talking chair method) . This all was in the context of vipassana hindering shadow work. Since stuff is being endlessly dissociated and labled. So, I was curious how shinzens path differs. According to him it is different. Shamanic breathing and psychedelics are most likely more effective. Yet, I am trying to get priorities straight which is extremely difficult for me since the beginning of time.

@Joseph Maynor I am not sure anymore if I understand the stages correctly. There are state-stages which are stages of themselves and the growth stages of development which for me include the multiple intelligence(especially including the cognitive perspective-taking aspect) theory, including things like values which is mapped in spiral dynamics. So, I want to differentiate these two aspects. Or one could look at them as two separate structures of development. State stages are independent of structure stages, yet can be reached as a permanent, yet are interpreted through the lens of one's growth stage development. So, a blue experience of a non-dual experience would be most likely interpreted as mythic literal. God did do this to me. There is only one god he told me xyz. God gave me this book and told me to create this religion, all other religions are false, if they don't believe in one god. etc. I bet there are better examples. I can write down how it is mapped out, but the only reference point I have is the ones I chiseled for myself and the ones I am copying from the book now. Preface/Preliminary remark Vision-Logic (which includes teal and turquoise)" Not very important for those not familiar. Moral span is considered as what is deemed worthy of moral consideration. Above teal (turquoise) World view: cross-paradigmatic, developmentalism as a world process (integralism) Moral span: all humans without exception. Seeing not only hierarchies but healthy hierarchies and in total holarchies. Detects harmonics, mystical forces, pervasive flow states that permeate any organization. Unites feeling with knowledge. Universal order in a living conscious fashion instead of a blue or green external rule and group orientation. Holding up the mirror to society. Values: global order and renewal. Experiences the wholeness of experience through mind an spirit. Self-identity + What is important: Highly aware of the complexity of meaning-making, systemic interactions, and dynamic processes. Seeks personal and spiritual transformation and supports others in their life quests; creates events that become mythical and reframe the meaning of situations. may understand “ego” as a “central processing unit” that actively creates a sense of identity; increasingly sensitive to the continuous “re-storying” of who one is; may recognize ego as most serious threat to future growth; continually attend to interaction among thought, action, feeling, and perception as well as influences from and effects on individuals, institutions, history and culture; treat time and events as symbolic, analogical, metaphorical (not merely linear, digital, literal); may feel rarely understood in their complexity by others. Reframes turns inside out, upside-down, clowning, holding up a mirror to society. often works behind the scenes. Affect levels: world-centric altruism teal-centered (yellow) Integrates multiple contexts, paradigmatic. Moral span all humans without exception. (counts also for green in total, green, yellow, turquoise). Self-identity + what is important: Life is a kaleidoscope of natural hierarchies (holarchies which include heterarchies). Flexibility, spontaneity, and functionality have the highest priority. Differences and pluralities can be integrated into interdependent flows (integration and disintegration instead of association and dissociation IMO! see politics especially germans diversity of parties in context with the true "meaning" of pluralism and dissemination of power) Egalitarianism is complemented with natural degrees of excellence where appropriate. Knowledge and competence should supersede, rank, power, status or the group! (yes please). World order is a result of the existence of different levels of reality (memes) and the inevitable patterns of moving up and down the dynamic spiral. Good governance facilitates the emergence of entities through the levels of increasing complexity (nested hierarchy). Comprehends multiple interconnected systems of relationships and processes; able to deal with conflicting needs and duties in constantly shifting contexts; recognizes the need for autonomy while parts of a system are interdependent; recognizes higher principles, social construction of reality, complexity and interrelationships; problem finding not just creative problem solving; aware of paradox and contradiction in system and self; sensitive to unique market niches, historical moment, larger social movements; creates “positive-sum” games; aware of own power (and perhaps tempted by it); seeks feedback from others and environment as vital for growth and making sense of world. Affect levels: "compassion"(green), all-human love(green-yellow), world-centric altruism(yellow-tourquise) IMO or I am retarded reading the map. THIRD TIER! Psychic: (which is coral in my humble opinion and has been called indigo in the past) Characteristic: union with world process, nature mysticism, gross nature unity. Main focus: Being, non-controlling consciousness; witnessing flux of experience and states of mind. Emergence of a perspective that is ego-transcendent or universal; people holding this stage of consciousness seem to “…experience themselves and others as part of ongoing humanity, embedded in the creative ground, fulfilling the destiny of evolution” (Cook-Greuter, 2002); consciousness ceases to appear as a constraint but rather as one more phenomenon that can be foreground or background; an integration of feelings of belongingness and separateness occurs; multiple points of view can be taken effortlessly; the pattern of constant flux and change becomes the context for feeling at home; one is able to respect the essence in others, no matter how different they may be; one is in tune with their life’s work as “a simultaneous expression of their unique selves” and as part of their shared humanity. Affect levels: awe, rapture, all-species love, compassion Moral span: all earthly beings without exception Subtle: Characteristics: union with creatrix of the gross realm; deity mysticism, subtle realm unity. Moral span -> all sentient beings without exception in all realms without exception ( saintly) Affect levels: Ananda, ecstasy, love-bliss, saintly commitment. Casual: Characteristics: Union with source of manifest realms; formless mysticism Moral span -> all sentient beings without exception in all realms without exception ( saintly) including all manifest and unmanifest reality. (Self-liberation in primordial awareness). The habit of observing the self cease to observe imo. Affect levels: infinite freedom-release, boddhisattvic-compassion. Non-Dual: Characteristic: union of form and formless, Spirit and World Process, non-dual mysticism. Moral span -> all manifest and unmanifest reality. (Self-liberation in primordial awareness) Affect levels: one taste, compassion. I can or did not find more on the topic so far besides reading the traditions who actually practiced it to these levels. But, this even more complex IMO, since it then has to be abstracted towards the development of the most important lines. Cognitive, interpersonal, moral, self-identify, etc. Whatever is the most important. Hopefully, this is useful. Would love to read a summary from others. In case they found different information. Here is the link from the pdf, the rest is from the book integral psychology. https://integralwithoutborders.net/sites/default/files/resources/Overview of Developmental Levels.pdf

@Aeris In what did you invest the 10k hours in do you think it was worth it? Or could you have taken a smoother route?

@Sahil Pandit I also dislike tracking miles. I started freeletics had a fairly regular running habit when I did an internship. I loved running in larger cities, you can elude basically everything and leap over obstacles, while no one cares and it is sort of a challenge. I want to try it in the woods sometime. I use the freeletics app for the gym and in general. They have some good exercises which are hardcore. But I don't f* with endurance. lol I used the app headspace when I started meditating they gave the advice to count steps, and then to count breathing as running meditation. So, I tried to do that while observing my form. But I can't run further than 2-3km on a good day maybe 4. So, by no means, I would call myself a runner. Tracking heart rate seems fun, I never did it while running I just go interested recently because of sleep and my professor. There are different levels of heart rate where your body stops using glucose as energy levels/energy provider and starts to use something else. Which will result in not burning calories or fat and using up your energy. So, tracking heart rate can be extremely helpful, to stay in the zone of burning fat/calories.

@Sahil Pandit Cool, so the muscles receive more oxygen? Do you track your heart rate while running?

@Sahil Pandit I like the double blankets!

@Sahil Pandit That's great! I always liked them when I used them for sleep. I can recommend an app for tracking sleep in case you care. To see and potentially inform yourself about your own sleep patterns. It's a cool gadget. I am trying to use a heart rate sensor in addition to tracking sleep, but the app is quite complicated. Samsung Health can store sleep data, yet I am not sure if they have a sleep tracking function.

@Serotoninluv in integral transformation (audiobook) ken wilber mentions exercise opens up the emotional line. Incase this is not known.. For whatever biochemical reasons.

Does speed reading digital content work besides skimming and using your finger or a pen to go through the material? (PC/Phone/Kindle/Tablet etc.) https://www.spritz.com/the-science https://www.irisreading.com/how-to-read-faster-on-a-computer-screen/ Did anyone test these plugins/apps or knows a plug-in or app that works well?

@Sahil Pandit Thanks, man! Biphasic sleep, for now, I am 5 weeks in it with mediocre success. As soon as I am done with the speed reading book next week then it will be that. Otherwise no idea. Optimizing sleep and getting a good night's rest is my credo/prime directive currently. What about you? No one asked. Feels like a positive thread.

@Sahil Pandit Quitted playing video games. In December last year. Did not play a single video game. Going to the gym reguarly for 4 months using social media as accountabillity structure.

@kindayellow what are soul speakers, ouijas boards etc.?

@Elia It's a tip from a website. It was about working 80h a week. It is/can be a distraction from one's task or goal. Although I appreciate it if some small talk occurs or some normal conversation. It was about meeting up randomly with some friends all the time.

I enjoy mind-maps from time to time or rehearsing what I wrote down. I don't read much, yet I take notes. I do not use a digital format, often only from time to time. With material I read online I use a digital format.

@CreamCat Doing that most of the time it is difficult for me to schedule although after a year or so I am getting way better at the working structure. I am quite chaotic. @Leo Gura I received that feedback now twice that I have my priorities backward. Yet, this is quite critical I messed up one semester now and have to do one more, I mostly choose harder courses, since all of this marketing crap was not interesting anymore to me. It is more about accepting degrees of excellence in my own work and developing that, also to be driven, and fueling my passion for the love of learning and curiosity, by having a career, for now, I have to say (besides reading in my spare time or watching infotainment). Which provides me with the chance of taking months to go do other stuff, which I want to include as a service/deed to humanity. The career is software engineering. Also, to prepare for a master to dive deeper into the fields I find enjoyable and fascinating. I visited the Hannovermesser which is the new Cebit last week. I meet and talked to the person how gave me the internship at the research institute there and saw the "new" innovations, and ideas there. The institute was so nice they "offered" us the opportunity to do the practical phase for our studies there, they could give us topics or vice versa. Now, I also have a volunteer project with a professor to dive deeper into android programming, with sensors. I truly want to embody more stage orange aspects, since this is necessary I assume especially in the tech field. I truly want to have a skillset that tackles global issues, yet I am still clueless. The research I saw was mostly about production, helping workers to prevent injuries, robots, automation of processes, and learning/image processing hyper mind the project was called. I visited 3+ out of 27 halls, the area was vast. At the same time, I can understand that things are endless, during one LSD trip I closed my eyes and had internal visions of endless battles of colors, forms, structures, shallow images, vague impressions and feelings which always ended in a draw. On every level, there was somehow a draw. Yes, I want joy, peace, health and especially love, yet I would also love to give back or work on a project, start-up etc. Which aims to do something for some progress in humanity. I would love to join a political party, for instance, just to see what it is like or work on a research project etc. But no chance in this city. For health, I would need to do more research and move, since the products here are not that advanced. Also, I am partially scheduling retreats, there are no meditation centers here, I basically have to rely upon as being as autonomous as possible. This is mainly about developing a hardcore work ethic, also to be more effective and efficient in all areas of my life, like relationships, learning, workouts, health, personal growth, emotional growth, spirituality and creating the freedom to pursue all of this financially, etc. The point is I stress myself out a lot and retrograde to being more accepting and content, which is like... society wants to keep you trapped in green. At least here imo. @RawJudah How do you work smarter? What do you for a living? Feel free to pm! Yes, I agree with the matter of survival, often I do question how survival can be transcended, also how it can be made more pleasant and would love to avoid working in shitty working conditions. @denydritz Any technique or idea you use that is unusual from the norm in reaching your goals or exactly is the norm but works? I am not by nature an ambitious person, I can be highly energetic and enthusiastic from time to time. Especially with other compassionate people. Any ideas for that besides working with others? I am a bit tired of taking I would love to give something back!

@Jakethehoff In the Audiobook from Don Beck about Spiral Dynamics from 1997. He mentions Berlin and Paris, as growing centers for yellow.

@Wyatt What is his policy or how does his election program look like? Or which issues does he want to adress? I read his wiki and saw a video sometime ago not sure if he became a mayor?

@kieranperez As far as techniques go that one could try. I did a cognitive behavioural therapy for a while, where one disputes one's beliefs. From a book from Leo's list, it is similar to the one from the LP course. For me it worked over a longer period of time doing that. Also, tong-leng for only 5min for a year or so, after each meditation session worked wonders. I also did not like myself a lot, I was quite self-destructive and resentful. Envy stoped and in genereal a more positive cognition emerged after tong-len/g. Same as positive body emotions. With loving kindness meditation, I do the version from shinzen young. I notice my behaviour and subtle feelings inside my body can change, yet especially cognition/internal chatter. I am not a person who idolizes since this technique includes it, so I have some struggles with that. Potentially, the "flaw" you perceive is your biggest asset in praticing a form of loving kindness that revolves around the concept of positive idealization. Anyway people react more positive and I am feeling a lot more neutral instead of frustrated and resentful. Also, vulnerabillity is more accesible, yet I do not express it as easily as others. I also ask myself a lot what can I do to improve the situation, be helpful towards the other person or be of service. Mainly because of Eckhart Tolles power of now audiobook. As you say that you struggle with evoking positive feelings. I'd say this is normal at the beginning, there are times where I can call positive feelings forward and other times, it is just some feeling of pleasentness floating inside. I find smiling aritifically difficult which helps with this technique. Also, my go to mantra is I love and accept myself, because I find it difficult to be loving or warm towards others, when the emotion is absent and I dislike my self. So, loving kindness, travel, fitness and mindfulness has made me a lot more self-accepting and confident. Also, music which makes me feel confident a lot, especially when young I feel it is extremely inpiring and confidence boosting.. Other things I did is warm to cold showers and nofap. + journaling about past pains to the degree where I am not writing words anymore + shadow work is just to univseral imo, it should not totally ignored. Also, volunteering. Hope this helps!

Hey, did anyone try a biphasic sleep cycle of either 6h and 20 min nap or 5h sleep with 1h and 30min. I tried it for 3 weeks now with some general tips around sleep. Waking up with natural light, relaxing before going to bed etc. Yet, I want more out of my day. Does anyone have experience with this. For a longer time period?

@Leo Gura lol I see, it is somewhat insane how psychedelics experiences overlap. Yes, I do not underestimate yogis, there are some very good classes here. But, unfortunately, I can't attend those. Sadghuru makes me cry each freaking morning.