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@Kshantivadin Nah, definitely agree. I'd watch a good fight even with violence at best something artsy with tension. Healthy red is good and also feels very good. I certainly do hold back red qualities the vulnerbility part is quite strong. Ppl. are not used to it also with the amount of decedancy present in society.

@Kshantivadin You are missing the entire point of several of my posts. I agree with you here that they are masculine and healthy especially martial arts. Yet, it's undeniable that many of them really also just like to fight and violence is not very conscious. Overall martial arts and sports is a stage red activity. You can read that in the offical Spiral Dynamics book. Healthy red is positive, yet people shame each other for this. Especially if tier 2 is not activated. I would do martial arts if I'd would not be for my injury because I find it deeply inspiring or some more hardcore athletic training. Especially full-body. You can make a hierachy out of it and stage each martial art if you want. I bet there are forms that are more non-violent and conscious because these two things don't correlate, especially considering even morals and history etc. You can have multipe points of view, if it is a how to question we are basically in stage orange/blue territory often. Expert mode also. ---- Overall the activity itself is mostly placed at red, that does not mean the person doing the activity is red. He/She could be on a way higher plane of existence. Especially with daoism and etc, I am not knowledgable in this stuff also there are not many people so deeply entrenched in martial arts that they are able to experience the art at a level like bruce lee. You can also see the art itself as a line of development if you want to be open to that idea/possibillity. There certainly is even kinesthetic intelligence at higher tiers. ---- Which would just include the body and not even the dynamic of masculine and feminine. It's like saying Peter Ralston is a stage red and not higher. Check out the book the zen body being. If you really like this stuff lmao.

I had to laugh so hard reading this.

Just working in a bigger city could help with day game as I am still a total newb to this basically been out two times with knowing what game is.

@mememe Creativity would not be the issue as well as planning for fun and doing fun things. I lived in two other cities that are bigger by population size/figure. I just think Berlin parties are freaking crazy as well as I just like electronic music. So plenty of options. As well as having access to psychedelics faster. I have a couple of friends there and been there last year, it would be to good for me dude. If I was fit I'd be to flexible for this city. This felt like my hometwon and it bored me lmao felt like I explored everything in 3 days. Besides cycling I could handle some cycling training that shit looks scary.

@Carl-Richard Before I get to theoretical, is it not just similar to experiences of archetypes giving messages etc. Just at a subtle lvl domain of experience. I can speak from an integral standpoint. I had my first dream about hell that was weird. I never have nightmares.

I make it sound more melodramatic then it actually was. But the undertone was rather open and sweet let's say it like that.

@Leo Gura That is good advice/feedback thanks again. I can come up with smth. original just finding a girl that was not entrenched in stereotypes like her was so nice. It was also late. Close to 7am. Imagine going to a Berlin party... has more game members then Vegas and is cheaper. (Should) ---- @FlyingLotus It was a weird situation imagine. I still lead afterwards as she said no and indicators of interest where all still there. Dialted pupils, holding hands, touching her hips, followed my lead, kissing was apparently even an option. She also said it with a nice and sweet undertone like she almost can't, yet has to. It sounded to surreal. That is why I persisted and still lead I also wanted to bring them home, because this city can be quite obnoxious. Imagine the dude that was making out with her friend came back from the club. After seperating from us somehow. With a rowdy bunch of people in a silver mercedes. 3-4 guys polyandry 2.0. Snipping at me subtle cues I already wanted to befriend that guy in the club, but he was just not the brightest. Imagine I had close to a perfect setup and this guy is to stupid to follow me thanks to his pride. My lord. I am going to start dating Eve soon. I tapped his shoulder I would have all bought us a drink for fun etc. Hottest guys in the club are with me surrounded by attractive women. I was super social talking to different people and women and men alike but sometimes...

@Leo Gura What is a good/effective way to close? I basically was persistant and non-needy till in front of her door she said no, when I asked can I come with you. Yet was not really resistant in my opinion I just did not want to force it, because at that point it would have felt needy. Yet, it's not easy to evaluate and the other girl was not fully receptive and was just not as attractive as well as was not attracted to me from my point of view. Before she asked me if I'd join for kebab. At the kebab she basically said no the whole time I still persisted and she still followed in a sense as I was leading. There was some other stuff happening around and I had to make sure people are not being retarded and kill the other girl. This city/region is quite rowdy. She was still receptive to touches I basically just applied some gentleman principles moved her out of retards who'd just straight up crash into her Holding hands We kissed at the end I was suprised that she was still open to that So IOI was still on ---- Anyway did not receive a message till now. What do do from here on out. Last thing I can do is send out insta. As she asked for it. Texting already for more leads.

@Leo Gura ?? @something_else I presume because of this. https://www.mindbodygreen.com/articles/what-turns-women-on-science I don't quite understand how the mystery then is lost, I could understand it from a males pespective, yet not quite female. I do think from reading and she asked for my insta I already sort of showed her a big part of my world by making out and heavily escalating she can intuit how much experience etc. I have or potential. When she looses interest in that and just sees other guys in the club or even when going home. There is a lot new mystery and you basically have been already explored partially and discovered, as well as, emotional connection could have stopped somehow and just having most likely that initial spark of being seen as valued and sexy and then exploring that again that is fun. The other women that was part of her crew made out with a couple of guys and basically steadily received that validation. When I review that night and basically she will never loose interest in novelty, discovery and mystery from a sheer perspectival viewpoint. ----- She'll most likely will become defensive when the emotional connection is lost and depending on her standards etc. She from an individual perspective definitely can loose the opportunity of being seen as valued and sexy when she is seen as easy access and everybody made out with her. She basically closes herself of to exploring that mystery and building emotional connection because most high value guys then want nothing to do with her and the lower value guys will just not be able to produce the same kind of experience. Depending on her standards and she might even like it that way. This is sort of my reflection closing and finding that opportune moment was not easy I basically had to force it a bit by staying proactive, yet still the whole process was messed up of mystery. It could have also been that her friend was the issue I did not take care of her properly as a friend of mine did it, yet he had no interest in her and I did not know that. Unsure just going through options and ideas. Sparking that imagination again of showing her your world and building emotional intimacy that thing has to close most likely at one point.

@Thought Art https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSE-gidTbh8

@Thought Art Thanks mate! @Leo Gura Thanks for the feedback! I was unsure how to close and kept asking if I can come with her. I intuited that I'd had to close I don't know will see. The last minute resistance really kicked in. It's odd how this still felt like building rapport. Thanks definitely will keep this in mind. Are heavy escalation and make outs generally sparsely deployed even during night game? I do think during the day it definitely would be strange.

@itachi uchiha That is the main reason I bought the book from robert greene because I was tired of friends playing manipulation and status games even though I did not fully read it. I do think consciouness auto corrects a lot of this stuff and automaticall helps you to find more conscioues people. You once had a post on how to grow in stages (spiral dynamics, susan cook greuter) I answered then the data became corrupted in the forum. You can basically and this is new "info" grow stage with only 20-40 minutes of meditation and you are in college/uni. IIRC it was 1h before 2 stages in 4 years or 1 stage in 2 years. Development usually arrest around age 26-29 max IIRC. If the enviroment is not conducive. For growth. Then every 5 years one stage including. I don't know about tier 3. But this is basically what I wanted to post for your thread. I don't know living in a hostile enviroment I can certainly see how protecetive some of this stuff is especially when I consider just toxic red friends. The sort of fundamental hack is a zazen practice because it disambiguates power dynamics although this is info from Wilber courses I have notes, I am unsure how applicable that is in a non first world country. As it definitely works here. I'd do intuit if I'd had the competence I could lead way better then most people currently do with their level of consciouness. Yet, with stage red people it's an issue. Although I really have to say I am quite good at disambiguation power dynamics it's just that when I want power myself people really drag me down. It's odd. You'd enter a We based experience from Tier 1 and Tier 2 and in Tier 3 you'd bascially have a full power transcendes if my understanding is correct. I liked one thing from Sadghuru and this sort of the trick many people play with me memory is hierachy. It's odd playing with that anyway. This will be just rambeling I bet you know more then I what is better to do in an enviroment like this. Might be good food for thought or not.

@itachi uchiha The dude who leads this basically does/did jiu-jitsu etc. So be wary if you never been there there are definitely conscious aspects to masculinity deraling every group without exploring it is quite myopic. There is no real need in my opinion to be that way. I think it's a fantasy for young men to be that way. There are non-violent ways to develop masculinity I saw this with my old friends who like this stuff and they basically just feel the red stage of development and their vulnerabillity drive of being unable to defend themselves because they are small and exposed to forces they have no control over. I am in the same boat, yet I contemplated this way longer then them. Obviously, this will not defend you from physical harm. Also this is stuff from Ken Wilber integral coaching conflating it with EVERYTHING else that is out there is just not the case. I've been to the coaching stuff basically two times and it's a lot about purpose as a man constantly it's about purpose very often. I've been basically forced to be with these kind of men when I was younger who see themselves as super masculine like gym owners and DIY attitude people and saw the limitating perspective. I feel and intuit this stuff runs way deeper and is about more. Some get it some don't. The obsession with fighting when I saw the black belt I trained with in Judo for the couple of months I've been there as well as seeing Dr.Keith Witt who did a lot of martials arts from integral. They will all tell you it's about smth. way deeper, yet they just like bashing heads and fighting. You can also see it (BOTH conscious and unconscious aspects). Especially when you meditate before you start the martial art etc. Same with holligans who learn martal arts to crush their heads and fight their enemies there is not much consciouness there. I do think working out that karma in a sense is good, yet hurting other people is just no a conscious way to deal with things and breeds this macho attitude that is just not good. I do think just zazen gives you a good taste, it's a non bullshit approach to feeling very masculine naturally. Developing and becoming a warrior is great, I do think wisdom is more powerful in a sense. Ultimately I do not know. We are still living in the 21. century. Things are moving forwards not backwards. This is what I think when I see people getting stuck in martial arts and fighting etc. Being stuck in deep red vulnerabilltiy part or creation part. I bought courses from Integral and went through them meditated on each stage of development besides turqouise. Just based on my experience and other more conscious people warning me. I do think red pill stuff is an issue when not consciously applied. It's similar to a boxer going out and punching people for fun because he has the power to do it. Instead of knowing his power and practicing humility in that sense because he is powerful etc. I don't think there is anything wrong with defending yourself and learning it it is certainly beautiful. Creativity can also be a good outlet. As well as exploring the drive itself. These are mainly my observations about masculinity as long as it's not opressive but expressive I do think it's quite healthy. Definitely took me a while to figure things out on my own. I still do not know enough about it, yet generally I do feel a good taste of it.

@itachi uchiha I'll check it out in time. I took part in a mens circle via integral some practices just give you direct nature of masculinity like zazen or just working out and lifting weights.

@Lyubov Oh yeah the propaganda. Arbeit macht frei. Jedem das seine. People still saying that is scary. But hey we are not racist!

@Lyubov That's what I mean why group him there? According to these sites they just group him there. I have the image of some red pill nazi doing what the fuck he wants and gangbanging some rando girl into the wall screaming fuck yeah murica. Uh. Smash. I don't think these books correspond with that image at all. No idea still what red pill is about neither am I that interested lol.

@Ingit If you want to do it on your own research your body type and face type and buy fitting clothes. For example polo shirts look good on me and show my body type, arms etc. https://www.realmenrealstyle.com/dress-for-body-type/ https://bespokeunit.com/face-shapes/ I went shopping on black friday the whole day just to find some clothes and talked to the retail workers there which can be good or bad depending on how honest and well-dressed she herself is. Yet, he/she can serve as feedback for what clothes look good on you if you are unsure. There are also style guides on YouTube choose one thing and focus on that and build slowly. Definitely enjoy what you are wearing the confidence will show. Also this: A gay guy cuts my hair and for my first dates I made sure my best friends girlfriend selects clothes with me via online shopping. She also chooses very good pictures ask around!

Just reading the blue truth by david deida as well as the way of superior men shows me the brutal nature of masculinity/masculine energy in a sense. It is unforgiving and relentless. You give give and give and are not supposed to be tainted/moved by your giving moving towards your purpose. Basically being unmoveable in that sense and to not falter on your path is what makes a man strong or the core essence / feeling reality / nature of a masculine driven being. Giving your masculine gifts as divine presence, divine purpose etc. Is what makes a man strong in my opinion having and following his vision. The blue truth is especially good opened my eyes about what it means to be a man on a virtue level perspective. For instance even when I chicken out approaching I do think it shows the virtue of courage and I am unsure what is wrong with that for instance. I do think "system wise" David Deida has the best approach to becoming a real man from a higher point of view as well as including sexuality. Yet, the praticalities about dating are just not covered in there. I am still unsure about red pill stuff I consumed some of it by just buying books that I am interested in and not knowing they were red pill according to some lexicon. For instance. https://www.goodreads.com/shelf/show/red-pill https://thepowermoves.com/best-red-pill-books/ What is so super toxic about the information contained in some of these books? If David Deida is red pill then there is no hope for anything anymore. I never looked deeply into red pill, yet I do think a lot of people just miss use information and made the repute of red pill community as well as it's members very negative. I don't know about it's inside though. Is this stuff really red pill or are people just not very smart and there is an issue with the original meaning of the concept red pill. Is it not supposed to show some truth about how stuff works?

I'll go out on saturday most likely and see aim for 5-10 numbers although it's not going to be ease with low amount of volume of people. I am actively creating my dream life, yet some of the social stuff like racism etc. really holds you back if you are the only one who is bi-racial/black etc.(the great constructions ....) It really is an issue.

I approached two girls I know the number is not quite high, although basically I received my first number and I have similar issues when it comes to online-dating inital attraction is great, yet there is no real way of me then getting her to meet up again. Online it's just getting the number currently. There are multiple things that go into consideration. Text her instantly create some fun (advanced) Text her next day set up meeting (beginner) Start doing stuff with her and let the number just sit there because you know the girl is most likely in to doing smth. Did not tell her my name She replied to me once So, basically what can I do after I receive her number the conversations just seem to end? I just thought about not thinking to much and acting which was a mistake in a sense since my skill level is not at a subconscious integration part. Now, basically chat summarization/detail: Me: What's up XOYX? How was club XYZ yesterday ?? (after 1h) She: Hey not much, club XYZ yesterday was nice Me: Haha at least the people started dancing on the pole Me: Let's meet via zoom. Me: When do you have time? (after 3h) Me: Btw, my name is XYZ ? (after 4h) She: sorry I am quite busy and I generally do not like to meet via that way at all. Me: KK She just replied 1 minute ago with the last message, I do have an issue with being assertive and not being in a business like mode. There are so many more chats, yet currently I can't find the right way to do this stuff. Many don't like zoom and corona does limit some options and I would like it if a women can take me out of my logical mind a bit since otherwise I'd meditate, workout or engage in some activity. Yet, no idea if this is just fantasy. No idea what to reply, if one if you guys is fast enough and has experience it would be nice if he/she more he please my lord. Save this conversation because I am just at my end here for now.

This sounds like my kind of fantasy if I can get good at approaching this is legit giga funny and real.

@hyruga Looks good. Keep pumping that basal ganglia .

@Leo Gura That is true I wanted more numbers to let go of the investment part. Your advice is gold I can let things be open and be assertive this is what I really like instead of this extrem macho let's do it mentallity. Other girls replied, I could have initiated marriage yesterday without sex till after marriage. I was a bit mind-blown self-sabotage is insane as well as religous cults. I am also through the entire OkCupid base right now. I'll apply lessons now to Tinder etc. Other plans. @Raze Thanks I bought a course from the og David DeAngelo, where also Neil Strauss/Styles is in for online dating. I am going through it for the third time as recommended for online dating. I learned more about text game from online dating, yet this example was offline related. I'll really cut this down I do have quite high standards. I checked out the links the short ones are really good exactly what I was looking for. I'll rewatch them and take some notes + action on them soonish.

@hyruga A camera or recording yourself can also work Leo in his new video has one part where he explains what to research if this is about game and talk about this then. IIRC current pop-culture, there was more. I am taking notes on this sooner or later. From David DeAngelo books everything including violence, history for e.g is good. Not politics.