Echoes

Hey, I just wanted to share an interesting text about the question "What can we really know?" written by Shunyamurti. It explores if it's really true that we can't know anything for sure, and how enlightenment is different from other types of knowledge. http://www.satyogainstitute.org/the-status-of-knowledge/

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you never experienced your own face or your own eyes. you never experienced an eyeball watching at an object. I meant "perceived" with "experienced". So right now you think you are the perceiver (eyes), perceiving the perceived (object). But actually the three are the same. There is no perceiver and no perceived. only perception/experience. You think there is a you watching at an object.

"I can see objects from my eyes" Have you considered that your eyes and even your face is just thought story? The whole thing that there is a face with eyes watching objects in a distance. <- question this. maybe there is no "experiencer" and no "experienced" but just experience itself

nobody started this topic. reality "created" the experience of opening this topic, but nobody experienced it. reality experienced it itself. like a movie without a watcher. the movie is watching itself

I see what you mean. Still, it seems that this "external" reality has a very limited rule set. I rarely see people flying like superman or shapeshift into giant dinosaurs. But maybe this could happen if the collective dream changes? who knows

Why can't I bend the rules and choose to create a flying saucer barn in the "real" world, while I can do this in lucid dreaming for example?

Check out the book "breaking the habit of being yourself" by Joe Dispenza. the whole book is about changing your identity and about why it usually fails to maintain lasting change if you're not doing it correctly and only superficially

Hey, since a few months when I had a LSD trip I get glimpses in meditation that we are like tiny bubbles of experience, floating around in a vast infinite ocean of consciousness/nothingness. Anyone esle had this? Has it any truth? Or is it just a meaningless image that pops up from time to time

@Scholar I think this is the human energy field

this is indeed very good. the "fingerprint of god" left me the most fascinated

very good conversation about this topic imo

Ultimately there is only the ocean. And the ocean "dreams up" these "individual" bubbles. Atleast this was my interpretation so far. I try to do that. But sometimes those experiences or images pop up (I don't really know what to call them, guess this is the limit of language) So they are all meaningless? I had the shift of perception a week ago, where I realized that I have literally no face (or that the face is only a thought/another sensation) and that im thus everything but also no-thing, just empty awareness or the "things" itself, because there was no difference anymore between the perceived and the perceiver. Do you mean this with Nothingness? It seemed to match the description. When I have an insight like this, my mind always tends to assume "this is it! you got it, there is nothing more to discover" of course, I don't believe my mind anymore. It's still very confusing for me, because there is one fraction that says "enlightenment is the simplest thing in the world, and you are already enlightened, it's directly in your face" this matches with the "experience" or shift of perception that I had. But then there is the other fraction that says it takes decades or lifetimes and only a few sages get it. There was also not the direct realization of infinity or that I'm god

I think you're right. It's hard sometimes though for me to figure out what may just be an distorted mental experience and what has actually truth in it. Yea, the seperation thing also came to my mind. But I would say that the ocean is the "thing" in which we are all connected (Brahman) and the bubble, or the "I am" experience (Atman) is the individual part of it. Of course, the bubble is also the ocean, so there is no real seperation. You are correct, clinging to mental images is a problem and can actually hinder the progress. I had to learn this in the past. If it's not NOW in my experience it doesn't matter I guess.

meaning/meaningless. existence does matter/existence doesn't matter. both are ultimately just dualistic concepts. both are not reality. both are false

Watched it now, but I am still confused about the topic. Why is he seperating the ego from nature? Isn't the ego a product/force of nature. When he says "does this mean that you're just slacking & eating chips while watching tv? no! you don't become a victim, the most enlightened masters are not victims" But becoming a victim is also something chosen by the puppet master/nature. You have no control how you will interpret the revelation of no free will -> the puppet master interprets it as "fuck this shit, let's eat meat while watching a glorification movie of donald trump on my 4k$ tv build by children in a third world country" isn't this also embracing no free will? So one can literally sit at home and do this while saying "it's not my fault, the puppet master did this" blaming the puppet master is also not his choice. Leo also said in another video that what is should be. so global warming and the destruction and ignorance of humans should happen. You labeling it "bad" is not the problem of reality. If I am against destruction of nature, I can try to change it. But blaming others for not caring is my personal judgement of reality that they 'should' do what I value. I'm not saying I'm against protecting nature. I love nature and this planet. I just notice (apparent) contradictions when on the one hand it is said that "everything should be as it is" "you have no free will" and on the other hand "global warming is bad" "do something against it!" "dont ignore future generations!" he compared it with watching a movie. and that it would be insane to try to change the movie while sitting in a theatre. So this earth is like watching 2012 or something by Roland Emmerich.

Will do. maybe I am a little confused about this "free will" topic.

We have no free will to do anything. just let god do what "he" wants. maybe he wants to see this infinitely small dust corn earth burn in hell. Like a child that destroys his own LEGO tower. god loves rape/child abuse/war/torture/destruction as much as he loves beauty/health/friendship/wisdom

everybody has ego.accept you'r ego. atleast you are aware that you have an ego. also, if the person judges you because you are "lost in ego", I would reconsider to call them "spiritually evolved".

Accept her as a life happening just as it is. Don't be pissed when you try to change her and she doesn't follow your individual perspective on reality. This implies a "she SHOULD be different as she is now!" "I SHOULD be able to change her!" "She SHOULND'T waste my time!" those are false assumptions/expectations/fantasys who arise because you deny reality. (watch Leo's video on morality if you haven't, it is really powerfull) Also, consider to tell her what you really feel and/or reduce/break the contact. It isn't worth it in the end to maintain friendship/relationship who only drain your energy and joy in life.

I would be interested in what you guys have to say about the message presented in this video. the question is asked at 7:00 (but the prior part is also worth watching) basically, Francis Lucille says that the world has existence/reality independent of the human mind, but not independent of consciousness. So in his understanding, New York exists independent of whether I'm in Japan or actually in New York. It doesn't matter where the bodymind is, because they too are only appearing inside consciousness. How is this message in conjunction with Leo's Video? Or am I misunderstanding his message?

why not just try it for yourself? also, this craziness is anyway inside you, working subconscious and influences your behavior/psyche. just observe it in meditation and it becomes less and less