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  2. Posted · Edited by puporing

    24 minutes ago, Snader said:

    With conscientiousness I refer to the personality trait presented in the Big Five Model.

    I looked that up, I see, that was not what I was thinking of, that kind of word def trips me up at times (where it can get mixed up with conscience).

    24 minutes ago, Snader said:

    But low-ego people are not born that way, they also have had to work for decades to wash themselves of themselves in the process of life. Don't you think genetics are involved in that process?

    Well.. to me the concept of "genetics" is made up just like how birth and death is made up. I see beings in terms of kinds of mind and stages of awake-ness mostly.. which relates to ego.

    You can come into this world already quite ego-less (maybe you were just hanging out as an angel or some higher spirit/angel prior to coming here for example). That's as far as I can recall in terms of my "past life", I can't prove that to anyone though. And I also don't remember more of my past lives. 

    But you can def do a lot of spiritual work in a life time if you wanted.

    24 minutes ago, Snader said:

    I say he has good genetics in that regard. Yeah, there could be something like reincarnation deeper there beyond science and human comprehension, but from my human perspective, genetics make a very strong argument.

    There's usually more than 1 factors for that. I just mean that if you're already high conscious at a young age the kind of bullshit one has to go through usually to make lots of money (as the primary goal) just won't even interest you. So I'm saying a very awake person is more likely to be not that wealthy because that's not their goal, nor can they stomach taking a lot of money from others (such as some people do with what I consider to be "essential services").

  4. Posted · Edited by puporing

    2 hours ago, Snader said:

    high intelligence and conscientiousness

    What kind of jobs are you thinking about that would pay well for that?

    I can't think of many except maybe psychologist/therapy but they're not that high conscientious to me due to how much money they charge people (so it's a catch 22). If you're really high conscientious you couldn't even be a psychologist.

    It's kind of bizarre where you either end up in a low wage situation or something like hundreds of dollars an hour. That doesn't make any sense really.

    2 hours ago, Snader said:

    even the capability to not get hooked into materialist desires is somewhat genetic, while containing many other factors as well.

    To me it's generally tied to the ego, how much ego someone has, the more ego generally the more they only care about money/material pursuits often at the expense of everything else. The more ego is also more lack of consciousness. It's almost too predictable too like from a high view most people just seem like robots/zombies to me when they prioritize money over everything else. And I'm not talking about low/mid wage earners..

    2 hours ago, Snader said:

    What do you consider to be the determinants in one's capability to live ''normal life'' while also pursuing spiritual goals?

    It's very hard to be honest, there's no normal life if you go hardcore on it. If you go to the deep end you're kind of at the mercy of some of the few people around you. I mean yeah there's always low wage jobs you can do just to get by but that's really not a good use of your time if you can avoid that. Determinants.. I say it's the evolution of your "soul"/mind over many lifetimes, and sometimes who you might come across on your path can play a big role if you were receptive.

     

    2 hours ago, Snader said:

    then he definitely was doing business and hardcore spiritual work at the same time. But what I don't know thou is how developed and conscious he really was back then.

    I don't know, I just mean Leo had a different kind of income set up than most people, he's not trading hours for a wage or working for a boss/firm, it sounds like he worked a bunch in early years along with actualized and then now actualized pretty much pays his bills on autopilot. This is very unusual not something most people even most creatives can just pull off. That's just my observation.

  5. Posted · Edited by puporing

    5 hours ago, Snader said:

    @puporing Exactly. Although, some people can play with those two spheres better than others. It’s really much up to genetics and your level of development which is also higly dependent on your genetics. It’s super rare to be able to do 5-MeO one day and do pickup (or even have a mondaying conversarion with a co-worker at work) the next day.

    I hate giving so much weight to genetics, as I’ve seen Leo explaning almost every human difference that way and also because I’ve personally used to emphasize more social factors as determinants of human capability. But man, the gene lottory really seems to get an upper hand there.  

    I don't think it's genetics.. There's just bound to be at least periods where you have almost no interest with the outside world (except the rare souls you might find). And a period of, well shit literally I cannot find anybody here that can understand me. And maybe eventually arrive at some occupation/paid work that can tie your spiritual progress together.

    I mean you don't know how Leo really lived his life, he prob also had periods where not much "money making work" was done if you know what I mean. I mean he already set himself up with actualized so seems like to me most of the later stuff was done after he had already gotten the financials taken care of.

    And all the other well known spiritual teachers getting paid with their job as spiritual teachers, are not that awake to me. Meaning again the point being if you want to go to the deep end with this it's almost impossible to make a living out of that. It's also a numbers thing, there's just not many people who are looking for that or would pay for it. The more mainstream spiritual you are the more likely you are to get paid for it. The more awake you are the more likely you're a "volunteer".

  7. Posted · Edited by puporing

    6 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

    It will eventually burst out unless you can consciously express it. But society is not made for the expression of such individuals.

    idk which area you're talking about which could very well be true..

    I guess I'm referring to places where freedom of expression in other creative and non destructive ways are abundant but people still choosing criminality.

    When I say "criminality" I mean people who seem to enjoy the sufferings of others and getting a high out of it, with no remorse empathy whatsoever.

  8. Posted · Edited by puporing

    6 minutes ago, Bobby_2021 said:

    From the perspective of a 170 IQ person, society feels like a cage that meant to stifle the genius out of them.

    This is why they are prone to drug abuse or lash out at society as serial killers.

    Sort of like how hamas lashes out at Israel.

    I understand that point. However that's still a conscious choice someone makes, esp if they're at that kind of "IQ" level. Somehow, ethics and being good just didn't matter nearly as much as gaining at the great expense of others ("criminality").

    And most of these kind of criminals I was trying to refer to are not the "poor or desperate" kind.

  9. Posted · Edited by puporing

    22 hours ago, Snader said:

    guiding people to construct and deconstruct their lives at the same time (which makes your teachings unique btw), I think the challenges in reconciling those two domains should be more considered in your teaching.

    The reality is if you want to do serious spiritual work in this day and age you either have to have landed on some wealth somehow or have some help or at least a back up like a good family. If you try to go to the deep end with absolutely nothing (no extra support) it's almost impossible, unless your country has some nice welfare system.

    Because fundamentally serious spiritual work will get you "out of this system/universe" altogether. And that would by definition make it harder to do basic survival (because you have a different mindset).

    Any remainder motivations to be here is for a different reason than most people here have.

  10. Posted · Edited by puporing

    10 minutes ago, OBEler said:

    Could you practically use this hyper mind to solve any problems in this world? 

    My brother is autis with an IQ probably over 180. And he said to me his thinking is not normal he thinks he is insane. He has parallel non linear thinking, he said he doesn't actively think it's more of an intuition. He doesn't make plans. It's a force that drives him and he is compulsive. He also saw everything as himself until 16 then he got an ego self and depression kicked in. His technical skills were on genius level, he was into electronic, back then he was building drones where no one knew that these even exist. He got into microprocessor programming in the end and could make a career. Unfortunately he had many problems, lands on the streets, got an heroin addict and almost died.

     

    You can be the "smartest person" and be a criminal or the smartest person and be a Saint, or somewhere else, "hyperintelligence/mind" alone will not be enough to determine things.

    Many criminals seem to have "hyperintelligence" that most law enforcement have a hard time cracking.

  11. Posted · Edited by puporing

    I have the same thing. What helps is reducing emotional distress, staying away from toxic people (that's usually when it gets worse for me), and finding work that suits your body.

    My own thoughts on the condition is that it's largely a spritual condition but not necessarily about you. My current conclusion is that it is because you are spiritually more connected and the body pains is a symptom of the spiritual pain you experience around you.

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    11 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

    I don't remember if it was the intake or the withdrawal that triggered it, but when I was playing with mirtazapine and benzodiazepines, I had horrible nightmares like someone was about to kill me.
    It was almost psychedelic and I could feel "fear of death".
    I also had the nightmare of a humanoid monster devouring the flesh of a freshly killed animal with a monstrous mouth at the level of its abdomen, this brought me back to my very fragile human condition.

    Do you relate?

    Er yeah similar kind of things, "murdery" and violent kinds of scenarios which I won't go into details. It happened more than once so it wasn't like some coincidence. Those can be kind of traumatizing too I had to process it a bunch after..

  13. Posted · Edited by puporing

    6 hours ago, Cocolove said:

    Yea makes sense.

    I don't know, for me, why would I want to get in the way of other people's love. And why would I think that it affects me? I just feel like people have the capacity to love multiple people and it doesn't take away from my relationships. Furthermore, if  someone ends up closer to someone else than me, maybe they are a better match and have a better relationship. I woudn't want to restrict them and prevent them from having a better relationship for my own needs. And I would want the same.

    The sacrifices, control, limitations, jealousy, insecurity, romanticization, and everything associated with monogamy feels so low consciousness I just don't feel drawn to it.

    I hear you, I mean there's low/high conscious monogamy and non-monogamy so it all just depends on the people involved at the end of the day is how I see it.

    I mean for me a non-monogamous situation will only really start to apply/be possible if I have even 1 partner to begin with, and if somehow that relationship evolved to a point where the healthy thing to do is to be "poly". I mean if you don't even have 1 partner (who may or may not want that) then it's just arm-chair philosophy :D. Or you're just dating around in a non committed fashion which isn't really what I consider poly either..

    I'm just saying in practice, most people are just trying to get more for themselves rather than trying to consider the situation as a whole, don't have true consent, etc, which leads to toxic scenarios.

    The other complication too is that it's still taboo with our society at large, and there are not much legal protection around this. So what ends up happening is most people have to hide it from most other people especially with family or work places.

  14. Posted · Edited by puporing

    47 minutes ago, Cocolove said:

     i think plenty of green people do it fine if they have a heathy psychology. 

    Why do you think it doesn't work unless everyone is turqouise? come on I know you got some reasons!

    Haven't met anyone I consider "green" to be truly poly.. most people still have a primary partner and then treat everyone else as secondary or "sex friend" which isn't true poly.

    Idk most guys who say they are "poly" are really just trying to hook up with multiple women with "no strings", that's my exp anyway. It's really quite the let down when you find out they're just using this poly thing to take advantage of people. Meanwhile you have a totally different idea of what poly means..

    Because I think basically you have to all kinda like each other at the barest minimum for it to be truly "ethical", and not just faking it, which means something like every addition to the "group" needs some kind of consent I guess for it to work well.. and that my friend, is actually quite a tall order and gets too complicated real quick ;).

    And because the transcending or questioning of traditionalist thinking really only happens around or after "yellow".. 

    "True poly" requires a lot of selflessness, and people aren't capable of that unless they're already very healed, which is rare. Almost nobody in this world enters relationships to be "selfless" as the default motivation.

    I mean just the fact that the majority of well known spiritual teachers have traditional monogamous relationships, how do you think the average person or someone considered less developed than them is going to do in a non-monogamous situation?

    But I'm speaking more from a more idealistic angle.. most relationships are not founded upon such idealism(s). So there's nothing stopping people from having all kinds of what I consider toxic poly set ups.. but I'm just 1 sample point, maybe you had better outcomes.

  15. Posted · Edited by puporing

    Doesn't really work unless just about everyone involved is extremely high conscious (like more so than even 99% of this forum, eg stage Turquoise minimum), that's my conclusion based on some actual experience. And funny enough if you reach such high level of consciousness you wouldn't wanna deal with the drama anymore anyway lol. Not just "drama", you don't really care about "traditional" relationships with most people in general.. because well.. you can't even relate with them anymore.

    It's all fine to experiment though.. 

  17. Posted · Edited by puporing

    You could always just try it out like you don't have to follow what the doctor's say necessarily in terms of how long you should take them.. watch how you actually respond to any medication yourself.

    I've never taken SSRI's for longer than a month at a time but I was mostly just using them to get over a really rough period.

    Don't need them anymore now since I know any "bad feelings" I get is just normal and due to my connection with spirit.

  18. Posted · Edited by puporing

    I've taken some SSRI's, it helped in some ways but I was too sensitive to them so the negative effects always caught on pretty quick.. It depends on the drug too I feel like some of them open up a portal to a demonic place in the collective mind, like I would have very horrible nightmares that are very much what you might see from a horror movie and very disturbing, and not stuff I would normally think about. 

    Long story short, I only took them briefly when it "helped" until they didn't and caused problems. Like you say they could be similar to some psychedelics. 

  21. Posted · Edited by puporing

    "General apathy"/"Conflict avoidance" is often a factor brushed off or overlooked on this issue. You can have very good laws, codes of conduct, etc written in the spirit of fairness and ethics, but if nobody wants or can enforce it... 

    And then there're things we probably don't have good laws for yet due to how unconscious society as a whole are... for instance you can get away with emotional torture and abuse pretty easily still, or being a very very bad/selfish parent.