OBEler

I stumbled on an old post from you recently from year 2020: "I've done over 100 trips and feel no brain damage. My brain is working just fine. Better even, thanks to increased awareness and understanding of things." I ask me if after some hundred trips more you would hold on to this statement?

@Leo Gura Yes me too, it's very subtle. I don't know if psychedelic produced neurogenesis has an effect on my brain. I feel more flexible in terms of perspectives and more emotional intelligent and more open-minded for sure.

@Leo Gura what's your motivation then if you lose the consciousness state after a retreat anyway? New insights? But you had so many deep awakenings on psychedelics a retreat cannot compete with that. You say there is no change in consciousness left after hundreds of breakthroughs on psychedelics? Have you not claimed that you jailbreaked your mind? Is your goal to have a permanent shift aka being completely enlightened? I saw an interview with a German zen master muho and he has normal consciousness state during the day and he feels normal. If not even thousands of hours meditation can change you then I don't know why you do this at all.

I don't mean a whiteout or blackout here. You are fully conscious but the observer is vanished.

@Breakingthewall Wow thanks that description helps very much. @Schizophonia that must be 5 years ago.he took it almost 30 days in a row. And after that he went through some hundred more breakthrough trips. If you take 5 Meo that often there is no fear left of course.

@Breakingthewall yeah as I remember, he said nothing about that the observer can vanish. Only total ego dissolution, maybe he had no thoughts about that also the observer can vanish.

@Breakingthewall ok thanks for clarification. Martin ball said only on 5 Meo your ego gets erased completely. Maybe I am wrong or maybe 5 Meo works on you different. @Leo Gura Could you erase the observer on 5 Meo?

@Breakingthewall but there are so many reports where it's said with 5 meo this is possible. Ask Leo it happened to him. To Martin ball also. I read so many trip reports about 5 meo that my common expectation is that you only have a real breakthrough if your observer vanishes and you merge with the observed. Pure non duality. Although there may be a tiny bit of ego left but that's neglectable.

What a question is this to someone who took it hundreds of times. I am confused. A 5 Meo breakthrough is exactly that: the observer is vanishing. Complete fusion with existence. 5 Meo is absolutely capable of that I thought. You say subject and objective doesn't breaks down on a 5 meo breakthrough? I thought this is the definition of a breakthrough. Unfortunately I never had a real breakthrough so I can only say what I read. "No one has ever achieved enlightenment with 5 Meo." What about Martin ball? He seems to have archived it.

I would say it's comparable with bodybuilding. People tell you to lift heavy weight, they give you exercises and this will give you muscles. You will not see any progress in the beginning. You just do it. Questioning or thinking about them will not give you any help. You don't need a big understanding neighter. After some Months you see the results. Same with yoga where you don't train muscles but your energy system. The only question is if it's worth. Men are visually oriented. We can't see the energies. Doing yoga needs a lot more faith than bodybuilding where you can at least see your progress visually and also in others. We need a tool to measure the progress of yoga exercises.

Oh how....can you explain?

Yes this needs faith. But in terms of yoga this may be needed. The body intelligence you develope during this practice is too complicated to describe. No need to thinking about or questioning the exercises. The results are there over time.

Wow and is it worth? How do you live now with Kundalini awakening.

@Leo Gura oh thanks!! Interesting topic.

@Leo Gura why were you never interested in Kundalini awakening. This is the most fastest and permanent rewiring of your brain. You are then tripping non stop until Kundalini energy settles. There are so many legit reports where you just need a transmission from a master, which gives you an Kundalini awakening. Also yoga combined with psychedelics should easily trigger an Kundalini awakening.

@FourCrossedWands that's not what I meant. I meant Zuckerberg is disliked as well as musk and the stock is still doing well. So it doesn't depend all on how you like or dislike the chef of this company.

Consider the collateral damage leos teachings can do to unconscious people. The world doesn't need new Zen devils under Trump. I witnessed myself how normal people turned into maniac Zen devils through spirituality. It's real. Connor Murphy is just a popular one example.

@Breathe I estimate 10 years but probably more.

Wow thank you I was waiting for this! You are one of the very few who then can tell what's the real difference between psychedelic insights and meditation retreat insights and the aftereffects. I don't know anyone on earth who is serious on both sides.

I feel not good about Leo and Joe Rogan. It's almost like Connor Murphy and Leo. The audience is too different.Just look at the comments. People are not ready for this and that leads to all kind of problems. Only exception would be if Leo shuts up about spirituality and just talks about how to be funny.

Then Peter Ralston? He is serious and there is no problems with mainstream. Even if it goes wrong, the damage would be not so big.

@TheEnigma what you point out besides Elon musk being disliked is too generalistic and fits to all stocks of a car company. Tesla is more than a car company. Zuckerberg is also disliked and look at meta now. Tesla dropping down to 80 USD is heavy unrealistic. Only if the entire market would be down in a historical crash this could happen.

There is somehow a trend in the us. Everyone gets radicalized. JP, Joe Rogan, Elon musk, and so on. Even Trump wo was radical already got even more radical.

@Majed can you elaborate please? What's psychedelic and what, aspects did you deconstructed?

Whats the motivation? Must be extremely frustrating to do such alternative instead of psychedelics which get you into deep consciousness instantly without sitting for hours.