OBEler

@Tristan12 I see you are doing great improvements. 5 Meo DMT and 5 Meo malt in my opinion are great. Ketamin is overrated I think compared to 5 Meo in terms of healing. It just gives short time relief. But that's my personal experience, I could be wrong. Also thank you for sharing your journey with us. It must be annoying to you that some people here don't understand your situation. Mental health is too complex and some here think they know, but they don't know.

@Aaron p verg0 is an expert in psychedelics already. I think he knows better than most people here.

For me: Leo's raw enlightenment blog videos. But also this one: https://youtu.be/qQMQe-BD-Us?si=QpflZol7umFsU0iO

@Verg0 nice talk, congratulations!

From my experience I don't have noticed that, more the opposite. If feel great the next days. I take small doses 75 micro 1 D LSD. I think such things like becoming depressed happen more to beginners. I remember that after my first experiences I had nasty hangovers. Never happened again after a handful of experiences with LSD.

Ok so you mean deep contemplating also and mindfulness, self honesty. But that's not really hard suffering or paying a big price. Locking in a dark room for 7 days, injuring your knees from sitting too long only to get a psychosis afterwards for months, that is a price.

But if you stick to psychedelics you can skip those tortures. So where would be the suffering then if you stick to psychedelic mainly. A video about covering the costs of awakening would be awesome. No one ever did that before. All gurus show only the positive side. Maybe shinzen young is more real but he is one of those rare real teachers.

Do you regret it or did it pay off if you consider all the costs you made?

Ok but that's what I meant. You take strong doses 5 meo and do a heavy breath work afterwards. I could tell you from hearing that alone that this is too much. You cannot blame then vaping 5 Meo alone for your destabilizing week. It was clearly because of the heavy breathing session afterwards.

Have you tried to communicate with psychedelics with an animal?I don't mean body language communication but a spiritual communication. At best telepathy or merging with the animal in front of you.Which psychedelic, which dose is needed for that? Some people write that they can communicate with trees on psychedelics. How does communication with animals look like? What exactly happens and what is possible.

O@Nav awesome report and congratulations!! Now how are you going through life after such a profound event, what about other people and the relationship to them if you are god realized.

Yeah but that destabilizing period you were speaking about was it with a shaman some weeks ago where you smoked some big amount of bufu and just directly afterwards joined a breathing session for hours? That's not comparable with just vaping with a vape pen below breakthrough experience with good dose control and not anticipating in some others hardcore spiritual exercise directly afterwards.

@aracid I am just doing wild assumptions here but could it be that you hypnotized yourself with a self fulfilling prophecy? I mean you are in a very sensitive state and it could be that you told yourself you are thrown out of heaven because you snapped out of a experience of love into darkness. And this came to a core belief until you snapped out of it through a shaman who changed your core belief. Very unusual case.

@Tristan12 that sounds life really hit hard on you. I think you opened a treasure very few here have found yet. Its up to you to keep this treasure and explore it more. I ask me if there are really others here who have the same experience. I hope I can get that too, need to raise my dose (I vape 1,5 mg)

@gengar thank you very much for this thread, these questions I asked myself and you expressed it well. I hope Leo responds. I appreciate Leo for reporting this advanced stuff with us. He could keep his thoughts about transforming into an alien on camera by himself. Now he released his thoughts, it would be nice to hear if there was something on it or not. It still sounds absolute madness to me but Leo could have experienced so much other insane impossible things that this seemed to him possible.

Overall I think you do good on frequently using 5 meo DMT. I use it over 4 years and recently I use it weekly and had never ever any addiction feeling or any negative side effects (just headaches if I vape too much because of e liquid). I take it not only for the trip itself but more so for the afterglow effects, these are sometimes very nice and energetic. But I don't crave for that. It's like taking a cold shower and the effects after. I am not addicted because I don't have like Leo access to god. I don't have even feelings of love. If I have a break of some months I don't get any thoughts about that I NEED to do it. Zero addiction potential for me (until I reach god mode probably). If I would describe my low doses it is exiting and relaxing and also a bit nervous all together. Sometimes I feel energy, often I feel not much at all. Very rarely I see some visuals. I need to push myself to do it if I don't do it regularly because of resistance.

Can you elaborate? I know you had some problems with high doses, but low doses? You seem positive about taking frequently low doses in your videos. That doesn't fit to this statement. I am a bit surprised right now to hear such a strong warning or are you exaggerating?

@aurum how can you so easily take an opinion on a substance you have no idea about it's effects? 5 Meo is not comparable to any other classic psychedelics.

You need a bit differentiation. The forum poster here talks about lower doses on 5 which are very easy to integrate because there is no visual nor big drama going on. It's more just energy you feel.

@stephenkettley I have the same feelings as you. but a girlfriend can get you also mindfucks but in different ways. spiritual growth with the right girlfriend is possible.

I think he takes other drugs too. But he will not mention them because they are illegal. He is very cautious about his image even if it doesn't seem so.

Yeah but what exactly happens? Where do you go? Are you in a white mental space? Do you see something? Do you expand or so, do you feel your body? Can you think normally? Are you observing etc?

@Leo Gura I trip usually not regulary, sometimes once a week, sometimes 2-3 days in a row.sometimes months off. Never ever had the feeling of an addiction but my trips are also with a little nervous before so I need to force myself always to do it because I am afraid of ego death /solipsim experience which will shock me probably. How can this be addictive, like really. And is this really a serious addiction? Or more like some people are addicted to Fitnesstraining. You could also stop without any withdrawal effects.

@Tristan12 I calculated your hit. If you take 5 seconds hit, it will be around 2,5 mg 5 meo DMT. 10 seconds are already 5 mg which can already be breakthrough territory. Have you ever come close to a breakthrough if you hit 10 seconds (more is not possible because vape pen will turn off)? What happens on you during this ? Are your trips similar? If you redose 2-3 times with just half or two third of a full hit at a time , how can you consume 4-5 hits in one session?

@Tristan12 good questions, can you tell what exactly is s hit for you on your 400mg/1ml vape pen. I need to know how many seconds in one hit you vape. A hit can mean anything. I also need to know how often you redose and how many seconds are your redoses. Please be as exactly as possible in terms of how many seconds, how many redoses in one session you vape.based on that I can calculate how much you really vape. It could be that you are deeper going than low dose area.