OBEler

Hey there, There was recently a thread about Practices to do while on psychedelics. I now want to differenciate this a little bit. I ask all Psychonauts here how to they think they get the most spiritual experience out of psychedelics. What practices works best for you during these phases: Setting: Your preparations for the trip, your environment Phase 1: Come up phase Phase 2: Start tripping until peak Phase 3: Come down phase after peak Bad Trip case: What do you do when you suddenly feel fear and panic coming up? When you feel overwhelmed? ------------ For me: Setting: At home in my room in the morning, alone. On empty stomach Phase 1: Meditating, eyes closed, a little Yoga exercises ( a little kriya yoga, downward dog pose not too much because I dont want to get exhausted) Phase 2: Meditating, eyes opened. No Music. No Eating. Phase 3: Random stuff: eating, hearing music, meditating Bad trip case: I stand up, eat some sweet fruits. If this does not help, I take a cold shower. If this does not help I go jogging in the park

@Leo Gura How do you see music as a tool during tripping in general. When should you use it, when it is helpful, or is it jst a distraction and you should just do it in the come up phase?

@Rodrigo SIlva Very good questions. What do you understand high doses? are 200 micgrogram lsd high dose? For me high doses give enormous growth but also a lot of time for integration. Middle doses also have their value but very subtle and often times the trip is boring for me

Very nice report, good to read and thank you! I never tried 5 meo because I tripped not much. What is your background experience before you tried 5 meo?

@Leo Gura Do you see Absolute truth more truthful than relative truth? Or are these two truths existing together hand in hand somehow? In other words: Should I just consider the absolut truth and dismiss the relative truth as just little dream stuff? If this is so, then I would not care about evolution, politics, economic and other beings and myself as human anymore. because there is just one

If I have the choise to choose between 5 Meo and DPT, on which substance should I start with?

@cle103 with what substance did you have your breakthrough to absolute infinity and is this experience good for everyone or could it be too overwhelming and leave you confused or even traumatizing? I trip on mild dose AL-LAD and my baseline consciousness increased A LOT! But I meditate also every day. I think if I would not do this, my baseline consciousness would be back to normal very quickly.

nice post, welcome to this forum. But dont start seeing leo as a guru, What exactly is the point of this thread? There is already another post discussing the blog post

@Leo it sounds like you are dismissing duality. Are you really dismissing duality or do you just want us to be more open minded, more curious about this non duality stuff? It sounds to me you start a war against duality, like alle these people who are living in dualistic world are delusional,. My brother lived the first 15 years of his life in non duality, then his perspective shifted and he was living in duality since then. He was totally shocked as this happened. When I switch to non duality, maybe I will be shocked, too? How do I know if I like non duality? What I know is, that I love to live in duality. I have the perfect life. Should I still pursue non duality?

Hello there, I have already some experience on AL-LAD and my plan is to trip 10 times on AL-LAD, each aroud 150-200 microgram. My goals with this plan is mainly spiritual: to grow a lot, to get insight, to purify me, to help me being more conscious even during the day. To come closer to god On the day offs I meditate for 30 minutes and do some pranama exercises. My question is, should I open or close my eyes during the trip? Personally I like more eyes closed during meditation. I feel save here. But I ask me if I get more out of a trip if I open my eyes. Can I experience all the spiritual stuff like non dualty also with eyes closed? What is better in your opinion? Are there some dangers?

@outlandish Thanks for your answer. I plan to lie on my bed with closed eyes and just be. But I agree with you that AL-LAD is more open eyed type of a drug Maybe I plan different settings. I never tripped alone on the beach, would this work with AL-LAD? Or could this be too much of visual experience? like the whole ocean is breathing, this would be scary just thinking about

Why nobody named ALLAD already? it is maybe the most easiest psychedelic to handle(on normal dosis)

another one who doesnt talk from experience, just repeat what his guru says. lol. What value has your post? This topic was already discussed in other early topics, so no need to open an extra one

@Matt8800 how did you met your inner guru? How can you differentiate which is your ego and which is your inner guru? Back to topic: Osho said it is up to you, meditate or take drugs.Both leads to results. just drugs have side effects so osho concluded meditation is better. But Osho further elaborates that if in future there would be drugs without side effect, it could help some people. Some people go to church, every weekend, some people take lsd on weekend, he said.

@FractalFlux Wooah...I have tears in my eyes, did not trip one year after my last lsd trip. Took 200 microgram , Setting was not good I was not in nature but in house just want your experience...what do you do regulary for spiritual practices?

THANK YOU!!!! Must be a lot of work Latex looks also nice

@Joker_Theory naaah ...your logic is too simple.

google sleep paralysis. The body sleeps, the mind is awake.

@Leo Gura You said one time, every people in this world should experience 5 meo dmt. Would you also say this for DPT? Assuming you prepared yourself for this through spiritual exercises high enough. Or is this substance just for people who really want to understand reality very deep

I dont understand right now what is meant by this? God-Perspective: Consciousness/God/Nithingness/Whatever created reality. So there is a reality. If this reality is material, non material, nothing, everything, consciousness, energy, light, love should not matter right now. There is a reality. Human Perspective: We humans live in Gods reality he created. We are not capable of experience reality fully, just with our 5 senses and our limited human mind. We add our imaginations/projections on top of it. So what we experience is reality in some distorted way. But it is not pure fantasy. The map is not the territory but the map somehow has connections to the territory, otherwise it would be useless. So what you experience is not just what you imagine with your ego mind. If a human being puts his hands on a hot plate in this 3d reality, it burns his skin. What there happend to this human being is not fully imagined by the ego from human perspective (even though the mind plays a big role on how strong it burns). Or does it just mean following: What you (God) experience (as a human being) is what you (God) imagine ? I am totally confused by some of leos and other spiritual guru sentences because I cannot grasp in which context and from which perspective they speaks right now. Please clarify

You mean: one cant eat the cake and have it

Please elaborate, what do you think Jesus could be if he was not a human being? Do you think he was a evolution step ahead, a new species of human being, like from ape to human -> from human to superhuman through mutation? After all he had a human birth

DPT is legal in germany until july. Then it will be sceduled

ask your mate tom, he went through astral surgery and it really helped him. he said this in a comment so he doesnt talk about it in his videos https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSF1F_RFRUVNXX4QmB6vmw/videos

I think the black magic your brother is talking about could be real. I heard of astral surgery and it helped someone who had a bad trip with ibo and lost his soul or whatever. Now he is total fine Let your brother speak here, even if he sounds deluded it could be a real part in it.