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@Barna the forum would drie out with more Division. The Division between spiritual theme and psychedelics was the biggest

@Leo Gura Yeah ok then maybe it is like 5 meo dmt in it's seriousness? Not here not there... This sounds creepy My goal is to experience music on another level. If low dose can do that without going serious, this would be awesome

@Ima Freeman right because most Mdma users combine it with other substances And the dose is very important

@Nilsi@Nilsi control your words here. enjoying beauty is a part of my spiritual process. I get deep insights from consuming Media,especially music and that is a more recreational usage of psychedelics

I dont like Scientology at all from what I heard, still I am curious about their techniques and insights about human psyche. They could have good insights or already known stuff about spirituality. So I ask if anyone here had studied their stuff and got some value? I know this topic existed some years ago but I ask again out of curiosity.

@Rahra they took Buddhismus and gave this a new scientific esoterik terminology. So it will be more appealing for westerners

@Matthew85 what did you Do in that hour, something paranormal happened?

Woah Yeah this sounds like you have been through a challenging Trip. It sounds like my first lsd Trip. Same dose, and I wanted ego death. But after 3 to 4 hours I felt something serious will happen and I was very nervous. I stand up and went to the garden. There it kicked in, I felt like something is putting me to the ground, I was loosing myself. I got more nervous and then I was just Jogging around my Block, taking a shower and Jogging again. I repeated that for hours. I recognized that I dont move at all as consciousness which was depressing. Many more things happened, too much to tell here

@Bob Seeker you can transform your brain too with a lot of 5 meo and malt trips. He might be sensitive but I know two people who are even more sensitive to psychedelics than him so this Sensitivity is not very special, but this alien mind thing is indeed

@Lenny_ what Was happening on your lsd trip

@Kingston hey just start with 3 mg. Worst case is that it was too low and you wasted 3 mg and need to wait an hour to raise the dose. Thats nothing to think about really..

@Rafael Thundercat https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6131656/ Thats all speculation why neurogenesis happens, no one knows why

@Kingston report please and stick the syringe 3 to 4 cm into your ass, this is very important. "The area with the most absorption is located in the anal canal, starting approximately 1.5 - 2.8 cm before the exit and continuing on in for another 1 or 2 cm. This special area with the most rapid absorption is from within the anal canal via its highly vascular mucous membrane that is divided into folds or pillars, known as anal columns above the Pectinate line in the anal canal (see diagram of rectum). Drugs can and will also be absorbed via the walls of the rectum but not at anywhere near the rate afforded by the anal columns. With most people and standard size 1ml oral syringes the syringe will inserted approximate one half way (or just a little less) and that will be more than precise enough."

@Lila9 they just look for an enemy.i dont think they mean that seriously. It's all about group bonding and mental ill people have probably bad experiences from psychiatric institutions so scientology gives them an alternative It's all so sad. Scientology is so old school no one can take them seriously today I think. At least in germany

@Kingston @Kingston make 2 to 3 rounds if you Experiment the first times. After 1 to two hours you can raise the dose Start with 3 mg. Then 4,5 mg then 6 mg and see how you react. Remember when your heart beat raises fast and loud this is total normal ego defense and in 20 minutes it is over. No panic Ah one extra tip, Do breathing exercises like pranayama before 5 meo for 10 minutes or so to calm you down if you feel too nervous

@integral Really, are you sure? I read some user experiences who compared bing with chatgpt in terms of coding. Result was that ChatGPT always gave better answers

@meta_male switzerland is full of psychonauts. Just look a bit deeper You are not really serious on this. There are ways (even legal ones)

@Kingston it will be awesome! All you need ist trust and faith. Start low

@dualnon@dualnon interesting, how Did you got stable insights or consciousness shifts from Frank yank, Did you Do Kriya Yoga?

@Sempiternity I know the Story. Still they could have developed some good techniques. This thread should not be a discussion about how bad or ridiculous they are. I hope everyone know this already. Just wondering about possibility of gaining some techniques or insights from them like models of the human psyche which are valuable and different from the common ones shared here or powerful techniques to predict human behaviour. Anything?

@Leo Gura lol which psychedelic did u used to see dragons and daemons finally? A Delirium like amarita muscaria? Please make a video about these creatures one day, dragons were seen all over the World in human history. I ask me if this is based on special psychedelic substances or not

@vladorion Maybe Frank is a little more conscious in some aspects like body awareness. But thats it

@The Mystical Man psychedelics can change your brain chemistry slightly, they change your energy system. I can understand your perspective, because you never got anyhing from psychedelic use. But read other peoples experiences on this forum, you will see that psychedelics helped them a lot on whatever they pursued. Its a great tool, if you know how to take usage out of them. You never took a value out of psychedelics, but others here are doing, me too. Each psychedelic have their own characteristic and power. Try at least 5 meo dmt 5 meo mipt Ketamin I think you just have a handful experience, you lack of significant psychedelic experience. Otherwise you would not write such things. YOu should have at least 100 experiences to build an opinion on these tools

@Someone here where did your change in this came from? I know you never could try psychedelics so how could you come to this insights that others exist somehow? Just through contemplation?

@Leo Gura can you have a discussion/siritual talk with frank Yank, this would be awesome