OBEler

Have some of you on your first dates come up with some spiritual topics ? Like about chacra or astral projection, or psychedelics, deep meditation whatsoever? If not why? If so how has the girl reacted in the aftermath? I for myself have mixed experiences. I can get quickly attention on that topic, normal girls with a bit of religious background are very fast interested if I tell them about spiritual experiences like astral traveling or near death experience. However when I go deeper into it and begin to talk about reality and illusion and explain them some new perspectives etc they become scared. At the end when I brought these heavy topics up even If I stay calm and easy, I get the feeling I loose attraction with that. They cant grasp it and get more serious, not flirty anymore. What are your experiences?

Thats what I also wanted to say. to hear these two words in one title seems interesting.

@enchanted Leo is not the only one. Many gurus try to get scientists on the right track. sadghuru did great work in that too:

@Holymoly If you do the MDMA - 5 Meo combo I personally would wait until the peak of mdma is settled and then take 5 meo. Thats probably around 1,5 hours after taking mdma. Please report how it worked. It can reduce fear to almost zero, with a normal dose of mdma (light dose will be too weak).

@Leo Gura your title includes two words not everyone knows so they get curious.

He had great insights on cocaine.

@Breakingthewall I really like your comments and you have great insights. But please for your own growth read and understand what she writes. I recognize the same pattern of you with other gurus like sadghuru. You instantly dismiss him, although you didnt do his work. Just watching some youtube videos is nothing. He teaches yoga, so you must do the yoga exercises he teaches. After one year of every day yoga then you can maybe have some opinion on him which might be not of ignorance.

@Breakingthewall Its not about values, I dont need any approval. I lost a partner and with that a whole lifestyle, an exiting feeling, purpose, meaning etc.

@Natasha Tori Maru How can I also have this shift in how I relate to my emotions/feelings/thoughts? I am ,constantly suffering. update: ah didnt saw your answer, thanks.

@Breakingthewall I can now understand. Thank you, this helps a lot!

So by becoming aware of it is not enough. Is it even possible? Do you see spirituality as a solution to reducing suffering as not working?

@Leo Gura What exactly was the turning point for you that convinced you that aliens are visiting our planet? I am also into aliens, its very entertaining, but so far there are too many grifters on that topic so I am not really conviced on what I have seen but I stay open. Also these whistleblowers can all be lead by the CIA for their tactics (hiding new military technology or whatever).

@Leo Gura It would be a good date that aliens disclose themselves, Super intelligence is also predicted by 2027. What better time would be, these aliens would know that humans cannot handle such an enormous intelligence and would intervene.

Can you say the same to someone who gets disabled by cancer?

@manuel bon Have you ever earned some money with that? Was it enough to pay rent? Your goal is highly ambitious but if it motivates you, then good. But I would not call that realistic.

@vibv @vibv You frame it really in a romantic spiritual way. It destroys me. Its like addiction. There is no good goal behind it other than suffering. You can say the same to a person suffering from cancer.

@AION Which wilber book would help the best to penetrate better through peter ralstons unneccessary suffering book? I hope my suffering counts as unneccessary in peter ralstons eyes and I can sleep well again.

@Ziran Welcome! I am in a similar breakup situation too. Look for peter ralston: ending unneccessary suffering topic.

Yeah...Bashar 2015 predicted: "There will be more allowance for the idea of life elsewhere, and that will help accelerate your energy, your consciousness, your awareness in such a matter as to allow for open contact to occur in that window that we originally said of 2025 to 233 to begin in that window in some fashion. So the probability now for the discovery in this span of 2015, 2017, with 2016 is the focal point, and maybe again sooner than you think, The probability of this announcement of the discovery of some form of life on another planet other than your own is at present 98%" That failed.

@Breakingthewall "If you are open to the actual reality that is, every moment feels alive and full, there are no regrets because you act straight by default, relationship are clean without friction because freedom and truth are natural for you, and lie and submission are impossible, and death is seen as the open heart of reality where you are going to dissolve to be one with it. " So how does that look like on a mundane day?

Its July 2026 and we still have no aliens. Pentagon released new ufo files, but still there is nothing big happening. What will happen next years?

@Inliytened1 why did you end it. And was there no chance after breaking up to connect again or stay in a friendship or something.

@Miguel1 it seems you are neurodivers and hate masking. It's a common problem.

For me its also existential hopelessness but my breakup is the reason for that feeling. Do you have a specific reason why you feel that deep? Is ist not having a good job or living in a place you dont like and want to move out but cant? When did it start first time.

@ZeroZeroes Thanks for help, but I fall asleep easy after 5 minutes and I sleep deep. however I always wake up after 5 hours or less due to realization in what a horrifying situation I am. So the waking up is the problem. I suffer from sleep deprivation because of that.