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@Jannes Maybe more so than ‘get her to’, help her connect the dots to see it’s actually what she most wants. Seems only semantical, but her inner kriya is the game changer / life changer / reality changer in regard to what she longs to let go.

? Understanding the Rick roll of reality.

YES! Thanks for sharing! ?

@Jannes Hopefully helpful. I’d talk to her about foundation first. Daily morning meditation. I’d explain the significance of this foundation, is precisely because the trip is not a ‘facing your death’ or ‘facing your fears head on’. That’s all ego & spiritual ego projection of one’s own nonsense from beliefs one hasn’t let go and is projecting. Most unfortunate but true. I’d ask her how she feels about letting go of control, and be sure she connects the dots between that, the meditation, the trips, and beliefs. And I’d revisit the suggesting she try it. I’d make sure she is well aware it’s entirely up to her, that she is plenty enough precisely as God made her if you will, and nothing, no meditation, no psychedelics, etc, are needed whatsoever. It’s just for the experience. No significance. Otherwise ya both might end up with bulging spiritual egos to let go of later, weaved of identifying via experience.

@Jannes Your honesty is so refreshing. Add “insights” into the horseshit category with all the projection reports. If I were in your shoes I’d sit on the porch with my mom, each have 1 gram of mushrooms, and laugh, love, live. No point, no aiming at breakthroughs, no fixing shit. Just for the experience. Same as right now. Neither of you gonna be around forever, and this ain’t the rehearsal, this is it. Not some thing better in a future to get to. This.

Nobody’s “using you” at all. The conversation was in reply to your comment… @Breakingthewall Your framing is not indicative of my lens.

@Jannes You’re innocently projecting much onto her before she even has a chance of unfettered direct experience. Again, innocently, but priming her with all the fear, “depth”, facing your death head on nonsense… this is yours so to speak, your current belief structure or paradigm, it is not objective or hers whatsoever.

This relative world, states of consciousness, your influence nonsense, no, not at all. Creates division, comparative competitive mindsets, ‘bigger’ and more spiritual egos, self doubt, guilt, shame, confusion and disrupts lives. People were better off without the first word. The actuality, though, yes, incredibly ineffable, absolutely infallible.

@History You can’t go outside of reality, but reality is appearing within you already and this can indeed be seen. Not visually with eyes, but visually prior to Mind, and ‘it’s’ the most beautiful ‘thing’ ‘vision’ ‘creation’ ‘appearance’ (whatever) there could ever possibly be. And not even. So beautiful. This. Which isn’t.

The relative world he says. Holy shit.

Definitely neither. Just like there is never the actual experience of a second self (only the thought of), there is also never the actual experience of ‘we aren’t’, or ‘we are’. ‘The part’ is also exactly the same as ‘the separate self’. There can be thoughts about oneself as parts, and there indeed can be suffering and pain, but there can never actually be parts of you.

Right, I’m with ya. Let’s say, collected in a manor which people are unaware they are getting bamboozled by.

Someone & themself are just two different words, pointing back at the same one. There is no scenario in which someone can punish themself. In a way, you could punish me, or I could punish you if there are the two of us. But you can not punish a yourself. There just are not two of you. There may very well be much pain, but there is no second or separate self being punished. The self that can be at levels is a thought about a self. Not a self, which punishes, a self. To shoulder this activity of thought, is to suffer, which is to seek any resolution, to this suffering. Thought can not resolve thought. Or Ox picks wise, the seeker finds nothing works. In cessation of thought, there is neither a problem, a second or separate self, nor harm.

No! All it takes is thought attachment!

It isn’t. Thoughts are believed rather than direct experience inspected. As such, there seems to be an experience of comparison. But direct experience is one whole inseparable ‘reality’ and never of a physical material reality. It’s only a ‘blurry phenomenon’ through the distorted lens of a separate self. What you speak of is literally the everyday normal, but you aren’t noticing for the habit of comparative abstraction thinking (thoughts) and conceptualization. Yes indeed. If reality was imagined, if there were a separate self, then yes indeed. Rare & limited to you. No you, and what seemed rare & limited is very obviously infinitely abundant. No! God is real, Love is real, Siddhi's are real, a you is not! Separation is imagined via the imagining of a separate self, not an imagining of reality. Reality is an appearance, while a you is imagined (illusory). That ‘you’ = thought attachment, that ‘you’ are imagining, reality. It’s a belief, the same as Catholicism, Mormonism, etc. In this case more accurately, it’s conjecture.

How the money is made is more interesting imo than the debt facade. ‘Made’ as in accumulated, not as in created.

@WokeBloke It’s an assumption, when only the direct experience of no experience will do. (Yes I get how it sounds.)

This is the thorn.

This place could use more you.

Post is a thought, like seeing, perspective, I’m and you. Both places is a thought. Meditate every day. Once in the morning, again in the afternoon. Let believing thoughts go. Apply ‘the filter’ of direct experience vs abstraction, or, what is only a thought or belief.

Someone can never punish themself because there is not a someone and a themself. That doesn’t actually validate anything, it just perpetuates the pain and the belief in validation and pain. Only expression is reasonable. Not harming. The hyphenation “self-harm” is absolutely misleading.

I is a thought. You is a thought. Your view, is a thought. Try to think awareness. The answer to a belief is no longer believing it.

You don’t see it, but you’re thinkin, expressing a hunch, that there is. What is it? You tell us hunchman.

Exactly. And, the humiliation and shame are still fake news. ALL enlightenment experiences are as such, ‘fake’.