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@Why? less seperate perspctive, more One/No perspective. Leo's video re: meaning comes to mind, as in, detach, then construct meaning on your way back. Repeat daily. Attaching is done to a self that doesn't exist, so, there's no loss in detachment, only an aligning or allowing of all that is. And all that is, is Love.

@Scholar without you, their is none of this. You're kind of a big deal.

@Moreira kind of a shot in the dark here, and of course there's projection in this response, but is it maybe residual thinking left over from the root causal thinking that led you to the semi-conscious state? Maybe you're attaching the condition to 'luck' or 'randomness' and what bothers or disconnects you a little is a deeper awareness that there is no luck or randomness. I can relate to what you're saying, but I also had strep throat this past week and it was one of the best weeks of my life and I felt (emotionally, energetically, consciousness wise) really great. I could feel the throat situation but also sang for 4 hours at a bar and had a blast. For example, maybe it's not the rough night of sleep that bothers you the next day, but rather the knowing of what you chose that led to the rough night of sleep. So maybe realizing what those choices were will releases the resistance / question and perhaps you find it funny and just lighter to bear until it passes and you're back in the zone.

@How to be wise It's already flowin. Things that add resistance to the flow, and then we're not experiencing the flow (ime): being overweight, unhealthy, eating sugar, flour, too many carbs, lack of sleep, judging, thinking we have some idea of what other people are thinking, being sedentary, etc.

@Grasshopper IMO, all 3 of those scenarios are happening. Locality and non-locality, super position entangled.

IMO, the difference between what I'm saying and what you're saying is in the meanings & definitions & usage of "I, you, me, them, others, One". It boils down to what we've each experienced, within this illusion, and wether we hold our experiences to be real, or nothing. I'm a fan of nothing. Quantum Erasure shows the past isn't by any stretch what we experienced as having happened at all. A deep surrender to this is liberating af. When this illusion expands beyond it's self / retracts into the void - , there is no "I, you, me, them, others, One", because in reality there are no words or brains, etc, only Love. I'm not confident that this can be communicated really, nor that I am equips to communicate it, and that's pretty fuckin awesome imo. It's trying to use words to communicate what is far beyond using words. It's what / where all the words are coming from, and at the same time there is nowhere anything is coming from, and yet that "anywhere" and "nowhere" is here, right now. Thanks for the compliment on the QM usage. It's a paradigm to me; i know a lot about QM, I don't know shit about QM, it gives me a lot of clarity about these things, and at the same time, it reveals that QM's itself isn't real at all in the first place, and neither am I. You rock Echoes! I always love hearing from you! You're always kind & challenging at the same time and that's where the expansion for me is! Thanks!

@Echoes in my mind, there are levels so to speak, I imagine the levels as atomic, nuclear, and quantum, just words of course for different focuses within awareness. on one level we all have our individuality, on another we are all one. quite a few times, when I'm alone with someone, their individual consistent personality abruptly stops and they speak directly to me as the one, and snap right back into their personality. this has to do a lot with the collapsing of the wave and the observer, which ultimately of course there is no observer, but again, trying to explain these levels. in my opinion, knowledge and or information dictates the behavior and reaction of all things relative, so it's critical to have an understanding and some knowledge about the wave collapse process. helpful bro?

@Harikrishnan great question. i have no idea but i would love to read some answers from the crowd. i think what are you, and what is reality might be a good start. Infinite makes for a lot of versions though.

@Peace and Love sorry to hear that. so terrible. tm will be an enormous facing of that pain most likely. its a solid path to love but man she's gonna potentially go through hell. maybe a mild pill of some sort would help take the edge off so she can progress?

@Laputan Machine if u mean saturation as in hue or color, i've experienced successions of multiple saturation losses down to a literal visual black and white. we make of that we will. i don't think it is worrysome, i think it's a visual representation of a minimization of conceptualization. maybe you're a very conceptual thinker and becoming a quality meditator. or go to the optometrist.

@John Iverson you are the One

@Deep interesting perspective. I have experienced there is no separation. I am experiencing reality is love. One, alone. I am always alone. I appreciate your input and the variety of perspectives and experiences. I don't see it as impossible to pin down. I see it like a flashlight that try's for a long time to resolve just where the light is coming from, and then laughs, like flashlights do, when it has looked everywhere and then accepts that it is the light. More literally speaking, me and you are the same love, shining through a couple dudes, having a couple experiences. What has helped me?.... love, lots of 'other' people, reading physics, quantum physics, thermodynamics, neurology, biology, meditation, excercise, vegan, laughing, allowing, appreciating, giving myself away completely every chance I get through parenting, singing, running...in general, I feel best if I just collapse at the end of everyday, if I give everything. Also shrooms helped. Lol. You rock deep.

@Socrates people use words like consciousness, unified field, God, One etc. The One ( just a word) keeps it real though and doesn't think or use words. it just chills in the isness. i have no idea what im saying.

@Peace and Love all accurate info. im wondering if you are new to meditation...? TM is an organized method with a personal instuctor. imo, it's ideal for someone who is "too busy" to get started with meditation, or who wants the efficiency and speed that can come from personal lessons. the catch is the price, but investing in one's self is usually a good spend. Above all though, yeah, do it to support your friend. You may discover this is how the universe is getting you there.

@Gertsh I have experienced shrooms with a fair number of people. Just from my experience, I think either those shrooms had some imperfection going on, or, you are holding on too much to "reality". I've seen a couple people have bad trips and I think it was because they didn't have the proper foundation in place before the trip. This is highly subjective but my "proper foundation" is 99% vegan eating, daily meditation, daily excercise, and creative activities as often as possible. Writing, song writing, playing with my kids, painting with them, dancing, etc. Anything creative and non-adult-serious. Oh ya, and always 'letting that shit go'. On the shroom note, and I'm not trying to sell a concept or anything, but, man..you're 3g's in and my exit from "reality" started at 5g and 'completed' at 8g's. Again, not trying to pitch the idea, just from utter compassion, you're so close to what for me, was the only total game changing experience of my "life". On the more practical side, I have experienced many very specific diets through out my life and I find clarity and peace of mind are (roughly) 99% food related and 1% whatever else. In the sense that, when I ate bread, sugar, meat, pasta, etc - I couldn't even see any sense to someone telling me about reality. I was "good". Nowadays I wake up with clarity and joy to the tun that I just start laughing, or joy crying. I mean, when I stop and look at it, my body & brain and thoughts are made out of food. If I pissed in my gas tank my truck is not going to have much clarity. It could also be a reserved psychological issue or trauma, but still, there's no clarity to let that shit go if one is eating the stuff many companies claim is "food". *Disclaimer: this is sensitive person shit. I'm crazy. Don't give me credibility. Don't believe me. I don't mean any offense, Experience it.

Great stuff. Thanks for sharing!

@Ilya you do stuff. It's simple, just like that. Do nothing for long enough, and then you do stuff. You are doing you seeking You, right now. It's hilarious, I think.

@Harikrishnan maybe it's more of a riddle i guess. Why would they think what they were doing was so funny?

@John Iverson You serious Clark? You gotta watch the Matrix. It'll only change your life.

@John Iverson There is no Indiana Jones without the temple, no Luke without the dark side, no Morpheus without the matrix, no Jesus without oppression, no Buddha without suffering. Try to welcome it, because it is the experience that allows you, to make you. What are you anyways? Some hack? Some chicken shit pussy pants??? I don't think so. I think you're some kind of Neo, who today, thinks he is merely Thomas Anderson.

@Deep that's the whole joke.

@The White Belt The point, ultimately, is to see the truth and thus be the 'light'. You can shit on people everyday. You can steal from and manipulate people easily. But then, you'll have much more you'll need to let go of. It's just simpler and easier to remain empty.

@Deep Did you ever hear that joke about the guy seeking God, and the other guy doing self inquiry? Well, they thought it was very funny.

@Wes Thoughts I was initially shocked to find that the same day goes on with or without thinking. Give it a try.

@How to be wise Dude. Just forget it on get on with your life. You'll never know what you are. There's nothing wrong with a normal life.