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@WildeChilde If he already was, how would you know?

@Coufkir I love what you wrote there man (op). On consciousness, it would look like everything you’re seeing, and everything you’re not seeing, though it’s none of that. On God consciousness, (ime) you can’t see it with your eyes, you can real-ize it (you) is seeing through ‘your’ eyes.

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This is a rare realization.

@Serotoninluv I’m looking to try 5 meo (availability is tough so far) and just want to say thanks for posting your experience and info. I had that experience for what seemed like a very long time on 8g’s shroom tea. Just sharing that for a reference. I can’t compare tea to 5meo yet, but I thought I’d mention it in case it’s useful to you. Thanks again. Thought I’d add, at the risk of sounding like an a-hole, I took about 15 trips. The better half were when I ate a kinda typical American diet, and the last 3 or 4 were on a vegan (95%) diet for a couple years. I have no idea with any certainty, but my best guess on the God view / seeing is diet. And I agree with what @Leo Gura said but for me it was studying religions and debates, neurology & biology, qm’s, and a lot of ‘zoning’ with meditation and guitar/singing. There seems to be something about prepping / expanding the mind. Also uncertain. Could be wrong altogether. It’s hard to see what’s relative to that.

@Monkey-man Getting back to QM / Loa. (Forget the 2 kids scenario now) What difference does it make, for you, for your life, if you view the statistical probability’s of the which kid scenario, or the reality that each person IS the One and their life unfolds in exact coindination with consciousness? Let alone, what is the difference of limit thinking vs unlimited thinking, vs no thinking? Wanted thinking vs unwanted double negative thinking? WHat role does realization of superposition have? What difference could it make seeing things as you, and immediate is all, unimmediate to senses is superposition? What difference does it make seeing you’re already entangled as reality, though things appear seperate? This isn’t clear (my message), but the pointer is clear. Are you seeing what I’m talking about (pointing at)? Having experienced both ‘lives’, it is all the difference. The key is reception, consciousness - nothing is made or not made, coming or going, happened, happening, going to happen. What difference does all of this make? - these questions are not the helpful part. Your answers are the helpful part. Similar to conscousness and meditation; the meditation is literally doing nothing, the not skipping over the inner work and just proceeding with life, is everything.

@Monkey-man Well, try explaining Oprah. Or P Diddy. How does your view make sense of their lives?

@Ether Short list. It’s one or more of these: https://liveanddare.com/meditation-mistakes/ ❤️

@Ether On and off will result in a little bit. ? First thing, every morning, build to 30 minutes. I’d start with stomach breathe focused med as a broad shot, then try each med and find what works for you best, read, contemplate, let go. Then pick something to start doing or stop doing. After a couple months, pick something in addition. Meditation will allow the awareness, you’ll become more aware. If you were (extreme example) smoking cigarettes, more awareness of how unhealthy that is, and it’s implication to the trajectory of your life becomes more realized. We either say fuck that, and stop practicing (capping off the awareness), or we say awwwww hell no!!, I got this, I’ll do whatever it takes, and we practice. Nothing’s ever done ya know? Life will always be churning and giving you situations. It’s infinite. There’s always more. The thing in question is your consciousness, and what is accessible to you from what you’ve done with it. (Slaps face) Consciousness!!! Your “Life” does not matter one bit. This moment matters. Meditation is the way!

@Daniel107 Great work on the practices. Keep going. This is the ego asking questions before it goes. Trickery and trappery. It likes status quo. All of life’s “bullshit” is symptomatic of personal meaning. Meanings get assigned relative to this physical self and it’s preservation, one layer of veil at a time. How can one enjoy the beauty and richness of this moment - if one is assigning meaning? How can one be present now, tainting it with meanings of the past and future? How can something with unfathomable sophistication, and unlimited opportunity, ask how to be grateful? When you watch a movie, read a book, or play a video game, you get into the experience by the meanings and the story. This life is the same. There’s your meaning and your story - but that’s just how you got into it - it’s a cover story, not the real story - you don’t need them now - you’re here. Now you can let those things go, and see who this You is which is playing this game...and....since when has meaning been a requirement for love? Have a family, start a business. The business will not give you passion and motivation. You’ll give those things to the business and it will be symbiotic. Right now you’re in this place of effort, fear, contradication, frustration.....keep doing the practices, keep letting go, eat clean, exercise if you can...it all leads to being inspired, motivated, non-resistence, non-effort and getting way more accomplished. It’s so good, that it’s currently unbelievable. Embodying the truth will not make immediate relationships troublesome. It will set you free. You’ll be a far better business person and parent in addition to anything else you set your mind to.

@Alexandru Decades of work and or psychedelics.

This is all thinking. Overthinking. Meditation takes a while to get down but this is exacttly what it’s for. It’ll slow things down. The demon is just you beating up on yourself for not doing what you want to for your alignment and health, and doing things you really don’t want to instead. It’s near impossible to have clarity when you’re knee deep in it. Meditation is the way.

@Monkey-man What do you mean?

@electroBeam You are saying that it is, and then asking why it is. It’s mind. It’s you. “Reality” is not consistent, it’s illusion, consistency is appearance.

@Monkey-man How does your perspective on this directly effect your life?

@Monkey-man why?

@Tearos You can’t suffer, there is nothing to effect You. You can dream like a mofo though. In Your dream, Fred can suffer. Fred’s suffering diminishes greatly as Fred embodies You (awakens). It feels really great. When You see You, as someone else (asleep), suffering, You are inspired. You experience You between You and You and it’s love. There is a simple way, not easy, but simple. Suffering is the truth not agreeing with how Fred is choosing to look at a situation. If Fred puts down conditions, if Fred let’s go of the idea of Fred.... For deeper, more serious research consider giving this a read...

@MiracleMan ??

@Shanmugam ❤️

@Monkey-man ?? Disclaimer - this whole topic is always ‘slipping through the fingers’. That’s it’s nature. It’s happening now, not before, and not soon. I don’t love the asking questions ‘game’, but this is (almost) like trying to tell someone what they are. It is not directly communicable, at least not with my limits. Imagine two males, each 18 years old. One is black and grows up in the ghetto, has only a mom, she has told him his entire life he is stupid, an unwanted mistake, unlovable, and worthless. The other is white and grows up in a high income suburb. He has both parents, they have always supported him, loved him, told him he can be anything, and encouraged him to learn and pursue his dreams. Being very honest, replying from where you are - not thinking this to death - , which wil be happier, more financially successful, and more conducive to helping others achieve their dreams?

@Shanmugam Yo! Interesting. Thanks! I’ll watch em as I can and get back to you. Early human history, if Jesus and Buddha ever existed, enlightenment, etc...brings Quantum Erasure to mind (I’m admittedly juiced up on QM’s today). Have you looked into QE by chance? Will probably be in Leo’s part 2.

@Monkey-man I spent around 5 years on QM’s and 10 (so far) on loa / relativity. They’re in the consciousness “category”, making them, as topics, reduced to pointers. I’ll take a stab at it if you’re interested. Might be a long convo and might not result in any benefit for you, but I’m willing to try...

Maybe watch some lighter QM’s video’s on YouTube first. The movie What The Bleep is ok as an introductory. I watched the double slit cartoon many many times before I started to see the implication. You might also try out videos on Schrodinger’s cat, quantum erasure, entanglement, and relativity first, for a month or two maybe, then Leo’s video. Looking into (google, YouTube etc) the Many Worlds Theory vs the Copenhagen Theory debate is helpful to loosen up the mind. Just a suggestion. Or try psychedelics and just have a look at it. After that stuff, if you have not heard of them, check out Bruce Lipton (epigenetics) and Gregg Braden (heart centered theory), on a personal level, I just like those guys. As far as being in high school & QM’s, there’s advantage there. Most people twice your age are paradigm locked for the duration. Their mind can not allow QM’s, Nonduality, Self, etc, to be equated to their finger.

@pluto Always loved them both. Great post - Thanks!

@Samra Love your work. This is a great thread. ❤️?