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@Tistepiste I hear that. Me neither.

@Tistepiste @Feel Good I appreciate what you guys are sayin. It could be the nature of communicating online, and how diverse the subjects are on the forum. Sometimes I notice the Self Actualized section, labeled as the ‘main section’, has far less activity than the Enlightenment section. It’s like there’s a channel that someone needs to be learning from, but there’s this other channel that’s just far more interesting. This is just human nature I guess.

@zoey101 Therapy can be helpful. Overall, though, of course you can get yourself back to good. You just don’t realize yet how you have caused your “problems”.

@Viking Great plan! Lots of great things will unfold! (Get up at 7am tomorrow. You might be tired all day, but that’s good, you’ll fall asleep by 11)

@zoey101 Take a piece of paper, write out, in a line from left to right, like a time line; any notable events, personal developments, milestones in your life that have contributed to who you are today. Continue that into what you want for the rest of your life. Write everything that comes to mind, everything you want; what you want to have, what you want to be, what you want to do. Then be honest, and draw an arrow and write “You are here” in the accurate appropriate place. Your life is a story, and this exercise can help you see that. The power of what you’ve made it through, and who you are because of it, is the power that can take you confidently to the ending you really want. The joy, the adventure, will be in the experience that you’ll simultaneously need to out smart the clever ‘fox’ you’ve created (ego), and realize the humility of knowing nothing (Zoey101). You’ll have to deconstruct and start at the basis.

@mohdanas Method sounds ok. Beating up on yourself won’t help anything.

@Leo-Tzu I like to think they would help him awaken.

@Leo-Tzu The implication is nonduality, but I don’t think he or Joe see this.

@Chriztian What do you mean “enlightened”?

@zoey101 Become aware of and understand what it is you’ll be letting go of; all beliefs, all conditioning, the entirety of the idea of what you are, what the world is, what life is, what “physical” is. Begin where you are. What do I believe and why do I believe it? Why do I impose limitations on myself and what I am capable of? How did I acquire self doubt? How did I learn that? How did I learn to fear uncertainty? How, when, in what way did I invite fear? Why did I believe anything anyone told me? What is even the usage of a belief? Do beliefs free me or limit me? What am I getting out of continuing to hold these limitations about myself, my capabilities, my potential, my future? I am asking you for your answers to these questions. (In actuality, you are asking these questions of yourself.)

@zoey101 Yes I understand. It’s as if even though you have ‘moved on’, something has carried through the transition of ‘moving on’. “Waking up” can be a misleading term because it can imply adding & becoming, when in actuality it’s a process of deconstruction, of letting everything go to find out what Nothing is.

I’m asking for clarification...this seems to imply you are advocating the physical abuse of children ( “a good beating”). Are you?

This is a really significant post. In general, imo, a lot of people (forum wise) are ignoring the pyramid and trying to “be” Turqoise / Nondual / Enlightened, and it is causing a lot of unneeded stress and confusion. Living in your parents house and making arguments for your own ‘having awakened’ when you have yet to attain financial & emotional self reliance, for example. So there is a grosse lack of appreciation & humility in many cases, which detrimentally stunts personal growth by means of frustration. Or to put it simple, it’s like someone pretending they’re a millionaire online for so long that they never actually developed themselves by becoming a millionaire - or a sage, or enlightened, etc. Or someone pretending they are self actualized for so long they never accomplish holding down a job by being able to communicate and work with others effectively. Shadow work, imo, is the most underutilized & under-appreciated work. As if everyone just figures they can skip it. I suppose that’s an inherent challenge of the nature of ego. Or in the biggest picture, it’s like not doing much for yourself, your life, your happiness, because you’re “already” self actualized, having negated all the things you want in life by nullifying, but in actuality having fooled yourself. I wonder if this is an offset of having access to people who are self actualized..?

@Igor82 That’s really broad but an example might be having a good understanding of psychology, neurology, biology, quantum mechanics, thermodynamics, nonduality, Christianity, Islam....so there’s a moment on a trip where you realize how it is an illusion, and how people (ego wise) are creating their own versions, how science was only ever people describing things. Then it sticks because it is suddenly the only obvious possibility. And kinda BAM, you remember what you are.

@zoey101 This is good. You’re taking a look. Becoming more aware usually comes with being more aware of some changes you’ve been wanting to make. Maybe you learned to frame things up as good or bad according to what you’ve been told, and it leaves you beating up on yourself for not being ‘good enough’ and seeing yourself through a lens of judgment. Then beating up on yourself for beating up on yourself. There’s a great reason that it doesn’t feel good. Who you really are, will never see without love. So you can choose to if you want to, but at least you understand why it doesn’t feel good, and a little more about the ego. Don’t wait for a reason to love yourself. Love’s far more powerful than reason.

@onacloudynight Planning is planning. You’re adding the stressful color. How did it come about that planning is not enjoyable to you? Planning is something you’re doing now.

@Hsinav Good point man.

@Viking Ya. Like ‘placing the awareness’? Do really slow head to toe wave relaxations.

@Timotheus I’d just be aware of both and keep the long term in mind, seeing how doing one thing can lead to the next if you’re open minded and interested. @Lynnel That’s inevitable.

@zoey101 Agreed.

Don’t. Don’t.

@zoey101 This might be a ‘down the road’ thing for you.

@zoey101 Cool. So pick a specific belief. It sounds like you choosing one is really your first step.

Any and all, making your own distinctions. It’s a process. That’s great stuff right there. Studying ‘reality’ - what is outside you, and also you body, brain & mind...in addition to contemplating questions....are all really self inquiry, but that’s seen later, after the processes. Another way to say what your sister wrote is that all anything is and all anyone wants, is consciousness, even after awakening, though it’s all recontextualized. Then sort of a catch, imo, if she had ample theory, she probably would have had much more of an awakening, than a fleeting glimpse. (Assuming is was fleeting)

Are you wanting to, at some point, discover the truth? (Vs ‘being open to beliefs’)